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Transfers Summer 2016 Transfer Window Thread

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SPURS IN FOR SAUL

Tottenham will make Atletico Madrid starlet Saul Niguez their highest-paid player if he joins the club this summer, according to Spanish newspaper AS.

Atleti want to secure Saul’s long-term future with a new contract, but his impressive form in La Liga – plus his stunning Champions League goal against Bayern Munich – has Tottenham interested.

Spurs will reportedly offer Saul, who currently has a £36m release clause, a five-year deal worth almost £200,000-a-week as they prepare for next season's Champions League campaign.

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TheJockmur said:
You can call it the biggest load of shit all you want. You can go watch Bayern, Barca, Real, Athletico, Juventus or any other big club in the history of football, and if they are a truly dominant force, they set up the exact same way week in and week out. Just because we played 3 at the back once this season doesn't mean it's the long term plan, it means we're still finding our way to being a dominant force.

Watch Fergusons Manchester United in their glory day and show me a load of examples of Ferguson changing players or formations based on his opponents, it didn't happen, he let his opponents worry about how they would be trying to stop his team playing their game, he didn't worry about changing his team to try and counter their weaknesses, he didn't need to. If we aren't aiming for that sort of dominance then what are we even building towards?
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Champions league final v Bayern, Giggs on the right wing.
 
ArcspacE said:
Errrrrr, no - it is exactly that
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No, it isn't. Reducing tactics to a simple counting exercise misses the point. Dier playing as a third centreback didn't change the system from how we normally play in any really significant way. We still had the fullbacks providing all the width, we still had the same positional play from our attacking players.

At no point this season have we played another team and been unable to create chances using our normal offensive system. We've been unlucky converting those chances on occasion, but that doesn't mean Plan A wasn't working.
 
Juicy Sushi said:
No, it isn't. Reducing tactics to a simple counting exercise misses the point. Dier playing as a third centreback didn't change the system from how we normally play in any really significant way. We still had the fullbacks providing all the width, we still had the same positional play from our attacking players.

At no point this season have we played another team and been unable to create chances using our normal offensive system. We've been unlucky converting those chances on occasion, but that doesn't mean Plan A wasn't working.
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We have tried different formations - these are facts, as much as you try and spin it. Good teams are able to adapt to various situations / opponents.
 
ArcspacE said:
We have tried different formations - these are facts, as much as you try and spin it. Good teams are able to adapt to various situations / opponents.
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Did our style of play change? Did we change our tempo? Did we sit deeper? Did we change how we tried to create chances? Did we press less? Moving Dier slightly further back altered the shape a tiny bit, but it didn't actually change the game plan against Watford, which is a very valid point for someone to make. Formations and styles are two very different things. Almost every team in the league plays 4 2 3 1 these days but very few have a similar style of play.
 
ArcspacE said:
We have tried different formations - these are facts, as much as you try and spin it. Good teams are able to adapt to various situations / opponents.
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Never said we didn't try different formations. Did say we didn't play with a Plan B. We play the same way, regardless of the actual formation. We press the same way, use a variation of positional play in attack, and use the fullbacks for width. Regardless of formation, that's been constant the whole time. That is Plan A. It's not just a 4-2-3-1. The formation is not the same as the tactics. Hell, a formation is not a static thing, and we frequently switch formation during matches. We've gone from 4-4-2 to 4-2-3-1 to 4-3-3 to 4-2-4 in the space of 10 minutes depending on how you bother to count things.
 
ArcspacE said:
What?
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How fucking stupid are you? I mean honestly? Do you not understand what tactics are? What instructions are? How different types of players can be utilised in the same formation?

Let me give you examples. We couldn't use the same game plan with N'Jie up top as we do Kane, because N'Jie and Kane have very different skill sets. Instead when N'Jie plays up front we hit more balls over the top for him to chase down.

Much like if we swapped Eriksen and Lamela on the wings, they would then naturally hug the touchline more giving the fullbacks less room to operate up and down the flanks, meaning our defence would be a more static back 4, where you would want more penetrating runs from your deeper midfielders, i.e Dier/Dembele, because they have been given the space.
 
Juicy Sushi said:
Then explain how. We use the same tactics regardless of formation. We have not altered them in any match this season, against any opponent. The only thing that varied was our quality of execution and the players being asked to execute them.
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Because different formations result in different play patterns while said players perform different tasks
 
ArcspacE said:
How can you possibly argue that playing different formations essentially equates to the same thing because we're using the same players? Jesus wept!
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Because all of the tactics were identical, the only difference was the depth at which Dier sat.

We changed formation yet kept the same exact players on the pitch who would have started in 4 2 3 1, personally i would debate if we even played 3 at the back for that game because it was so similar to our usual game.

I'll leave that debate for another time though, you're struggling with the basics for now.
 
ArcspacE said:
Because different formations result in different play patterns while said players perform different tasks
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So, when we play in different formations during the same game, which is normal for us, and for most teams, that's a Plan B because the formation rules the tactics?

That makes no sense. By your definition all clubs then are using Plan A, B, C and probably D every match. Which would make your point moot because it's a tautology.

The formation is not the same as the tactics.

Our players are constantly doing various things during matches depending on different situations. That doesn't mean they're not playing within the same basic philosophy. I think you don't really understand what Pochettino actually means by tactics, or what he asks the players to do. You still haven't given an example of when our tactics changed this year. They factually haven't.
 
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