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Manager Mauricio Pochettino
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We have reached our ceiling in the league, our natural postion is 6th and our current position isn’t sustainable, we do not possesss the capacity to retain our best personnel so inevitably we will regress in the( I suspect near) future. We have seen that with similar clubs to our standing on the continent. The key is we take advantage of what we have whilst we have it. We are not an elite club ( and won’t be anytime soon without major structural changes in the game) but we have an elite side (for now). Elite sides win silverware and by that standard we are not realising that. One of the main reasons for that is this absurd mindset that we have adopted that we are supposedly above the lesser tournaments. That’s coming from the club but also from a large contingent of our supporter base as well. Is it any wonder when we don’t win anything when we make the league and CL our main priority? This isn’t about spend it is about capitalising on what we have now and avoiding another wasted generation like the Redknapp era.
What Long term strategy? Is that the same one we have had since 2004 then? Invest in youth, develop our infrastructure and build for the future. Well that future is now, it is here, we are unlikely to get a better team than this anytime soon but supposedly we need to keep living in tomorrow?!? That’s the solution here. I’m not advocating changing our manager, I merely stated that I believe the likes of Anchelotti and Simone to be a better manager than him ( few would dare to try to argue otherwise). That if the situation arose such as if Poch were to leave then we would be in a better position to win silverware because not only are they more talented they have the experience of doing this.
Well indeed. As long as the points come from somewhere. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't really mind if we draw every away game against the very top teams (thus denying them points as well) if we're consistent everywhere else and manage to beat them on our own patch as much as possible.
Funny thing is, I'm convinced that a fully fit Spurs side would have won yesterday. Pretty furious at Southgate for starting Dier twice. Completely needless in two friendlies, and our back line suffered for it.
You are mad.
The project was always to build the infrastructure of a top side like Bayern Munich, the Scum, Man City. Increase revenues so that we are able to compete with the second tier Champions league teams. Then try to build a TEAM that can win major honours without political money.
The time is not now, the stadium is not built, the revenues are not here, but the team is ahead of schedule. Next season should be the start of a new look spurs. We still wont be able to compete with the political money, but we will be able to compete with every balanced team (the goons, Liverpool, Bayern Munich, Athletico Madrid. And might even be able to turn over the likes of Real Madrird, PSG through team work and unity.
The project is on course, this seems to break the heart of the anti-Levy squad. Just admit you have been wrong all along and join the party. We are getting there, the future is bright, the future is lilywhite
If Ancelotti is so great then how come he keeps on getting sacked
No it isn't, the new stadium isn't finished yet and the plan is ongoing, bigger revenues and expanding our global fan base will take time. If we're having this conversation in 5 years time then i have to concede you're right and i'm wrong. We were going around in circles until Poch was appointed, we now seem to have some stability and now seem to have a plan ( yes that word again ). He's not perfect and i question some of his decisions on team line ups and subs etc but trust he knows more than me. We are never going to agree on this it seems but you are as entitled to your opinion as i am to mine so it seems we will have to agree to differ.
So you want to prioritise the cups? Something that literally no club in England does. Wake up man. Football has changed. You keep making the same point over and over, I get it, you don’t like it. Professional football clubs exist to make money, they always have done, and the money is in high league finishes and CL participation. You rambling on about silverware won’t change that. Do you really think Tottenham exists for your personal gratification? The cups used to be attractive because of the extra money brought in from the gate. That money is now a piddling amount compared to what’s on offer elsewhere. Your sentiments are entirely romantic - no bad thing in itself, but you’re hopelessly naive if you think it’s going change. The key word here is ‘professional’. Think on.
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No the project was to develop the infrastructure of the club and capitalise on the expansion of English football as a global product and realise the club for a sizeable profit. They outlined this when they bought the club and have made no secret of it since.
And who exactly are these second tier CL that we are supposedly going to compete with now? Our revenues have been higher than A Madrid’s for years and been pretty much on a par with Dortmund (which we will soon overtake even without the stadium).
The notion that the new stadium will enable us to compete with the likes of Bayern Munich is absolutely laughable. Their turnover on the 2015/16 season was £442 million whilst ours was £209 million. Our capacity is no where near theirs.
If we we use Woolwich’s match day revenue as a basis the new stadium will generate an additional £50-60 million per annum. To put that into context that only enables us to surpass Liverpool’s revenues ( provided they do not secure CL football. Liverpool a club that cannot retain it best personnel and does not possess the capacity to compete for the highest honours.
We are the 6th biggest club by turnover and we will still be the 6th biggest club by turnover once the stadium is completed. So can any one please explain to me how it is going to radically alter the clubs capacity to compete? As for being anti Levy, well that is news to me. There was me thinking that he was one of the most talented chairman in the game.
As I stated in another post our new stadium doesn’t even move us above Liverpool a club that does not possess the capacity to compete at the highest level. So what is the plan then? Increase our global fanbase? How do you propose a club that does not win anththing tries to break into markets that are already dominated by the likes of Manchester United, Liverpool and Chelsea? As Man City are already finding this isn’t an easy feat and this despite their success and commercial backing. This is our level, it will be in 5 years time as well because we are not suddenly going to transform into an elite club, it’s wishful thinking believing that the new stadium will enable that.
So how did this conundrum arise? How did a non elite club end up with an elite team with a net spend of peanuts in this era where to buy one you need to spend £500M? That wouldn't be anything to do with the manager would it?
I get it you view yourself as a stockholder, it’s about all addtional revenue streams, it’s about status and what you feel. I apologise that I refuse to subscribe to that. In reality you are chasing an illusion, a fantasy that this addtional revenues streams will put us on a par with the elite when it will not.
Again I know all to well the game has changed but to suggest that supporter-bases are powerless is what is really naive. If that was the case then Cardiff would still be playing in red, Hull City would be Hull Tigers and we would be playing our 39th league game abroad. I couldn’t care less if the likes of the UEFA cup, FA Cup and the league cup don’t represent commercial success. It means absolutely nothing to me and it shouldn’t to any supporter.
I don't agree, there are burgeoning markets to tap, Asia, USA with the American football link we are trying to utilize. It will take time and a degree of luck, consistently qualifying for the Champions league and the extra revenue that brings in etc. If you think we've reached our ceiling then fair enough but i have a feeling that Levy wouldn't agree with you on this.
Through an excellent scouting system, through our youth system and from our coaches as well . It’s the same thing that granted the likes of A. Madrid, Dortmund and Monaco such success. However maintaining in the medium to long term is next to impossible to achieve.
We are the 4th best supported club in Europe this season.
Next season we move in to the biggest English football stadium outside Old Trafford. I don't quite see how this negative small minded bullshit stacks up if I'm honest
The likes of United and Liverpool cornered the Asian market 2 decades ago, even City are struggling to break that hold. If we are going to rely on the US market then we better get a move on given PL viewing figures declined for the first time this year.
Well we better strap ourselves in then as it's all downhill from here it seems.
Hold on, werent you of the opinion that it was a disgrace to turn our back on the Carabou? You are calling somone small time for wanting trophies now....
And? Newcastle currently have the third biggest stadium in the country, it means fuck all. The addtional revenue will come from the corporate facilities not the extra attendance. Attendance means fuck all in grand scheme of things, it’s about a club’s capacity to compete. You may not like it, you may view this as negative but it something called reality and it isn’t going to dispear because you don’t like it.
And what if Poch leaves and those two specific managers can’t / don’t want to come to Spurs? If our only chance of improvement is being lucky enough to snag one of two managers you deem to be good enough, I would rather keep what we have thanks. I wouldn’t suggest that Poch is the best manager in the world, but I do believe he is the best we could possibly have at this time with the resources available, and I wouldn’t swap him for anyone.
I don’t view myself as a stockholder, I’m just a fan telling you how it is. I enjoy watching us play, I’m a supporter. I don’t know what you are. Why are you telling me all this? Why aren’t you organising a protest or something? Banging away on here won’t change a bloody thing. The fact is that most people are happy with the progress the club is making - you’re clearly not, but refusing to address facts and annoying me is not going to bring about change. Have you written to the board like I suggested? Have you joined the trust? Have you actually done anything to affect the changes in policy you’d like to see? My guess is you haven’t and you never will, because deep down you know it’s pointless. If you get no enjoyment from supporting the club then just stop. No one is listening. By the way, do you attend matches? Do you put any money the club’s way?