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Been a while since we signed a youngster from outside British Isles, and now 2 in one TW (also Norwegian gk)
Maxi Tainio would have been the last around 2 years ago wouldn't he? In fact isn't the last season the only season in recent memor haven't signed a player from overseas to the academy? Did we sign any domestic players to the academy last season?
 
Maxi Tainio would have been the last around 2 years ago wouldn't he? In fact isn't the last season the only season in recent memor haven't signed a player from overseas to the academy? Did we sign any domestic players to the academy last season?
....is there a chance was he born here?? ...and therefore woupd have duel nationality anyway!
He's Teemu's son, right? Do the dates match up, or is he way too young, and I'm showing my age??
 
Maxi Tainio would have been the last around 2 years ago wouldn't he? In fact isn't the last season the only season in recent memor haven't signed a player from overseas to the academy? Did we sign any domestic players to the academy last season?

Agree Max Tainio is an overseas player but as he's an ex players son I tend to think of him as one of the "extended family" and not " foreign" ! I guess the Overseas/foreign players I was thinking if is ones signed without any previous Spurs affiliations.

Last season we signed Parrott ( but I did say nobody outside British Isles so whilst Irish he still ranks the same as domestic signed players)
 
This whole area of law is a bit of a minefield but I think I am right that a kid can move countries with the EU ( god knows if this works post any Brexit deal !) Providing they are over 16 (so it's an exemption from the normal rule of minimum age 1 8) and provided the club meets various conditions such as education, accomodation etc.

So in practice he will be like any other kid able to sign a scholarship at the age of 16 and a pro contract at 17 etc.
After Brexit, unless we stay in the EEA (pretty unlikely - would have very few benefits compared to just remaining) then we'll no longer be allowed to sign most players from outside the UK under the age of 18. The only exceptionthat would apply to us would be if their parents moved here for non-footballing reasons (exploiting this is what's got Chelsea in shit). So there's a good chance we'd miss out on the two players we've signed this summer, or those in the past such as Nabil Bentaleb and Troy Parrott, since all the other big clubs on the continent would have two years to sign them up before we were allowed to.

On a tangent, it could also be a final killer blow to the Irish national team, since their best talents would no longer be allowed to sign for English academies, and clubs are far less likely to take a punt on 18 year olds to go into the U23s than a 16 year old for the development side.
 
After Brexit, unless we stay in the EEA (pretty unlikely - would have very few benefits compared to just remaining) then we'll no longer be allowed to sign most players from outside the UK under the age of 18. The only exceptionthat would apply to us would be if their parents moved here for non-footballing reasons (exploiting this is what's got Chelsea in shit). So there's a good chance we'd miss out on the two players we've signed this summer, or those in the past such as Nabil Bentaleb and Troy Parrott, since all the other big clubs on the continent would have two years to sign them up before we were allowed to.

On a tangent, it could also be a final killer blow to the Irish national team, since their best talents would no longer be allowed to sign for English academies, and clubs are far less likely to take a punt on 18 year olds to go into the U23s than a 16 year old for the development side.

The rules on the player transfers are made by FIFA so it's possible that PL could lobby FIFA to amend the rules to allow 16 to 18 year olds to move with in EU EEA and UK rather than just EU and EEA

If not I could see a new scam of moving parents and kids to live in Calais with Spurs having a new academy satellite close to Cover to allow kids to join who live within 50 miles (one of the other FIFA exemotiobs)' !
 
The rules on the player transfers are made by FIFA so it's possible that PL could lobby FIFA to amend the rules to allow 16 to 18 year olds to move with in EU EEA and UK rather than just EU and EEA

If not I could see a new scam of moving parents and kids to live in Calais with Spurs having a new academy satellite close to Cover to allow kids to join who live within 50 miles (one of the other FIFA exemotiobs)' !
I really don't see why on earth FIFA would agree to that. They don't particularly like us and it'd cheese off the EU who they need to keep onside. Not to mention that the exception is only there because otherwise the policy would contravene EU law - if we just get an arbitrary exception when we're not bound by those laws, everybody would be asking for one.

I also don't see that working - the rules are pretty clear that the distance from the player to the club's headquarters (i.e. Lilywhite House in our case, not some random training base) has to be 100km or less. Even for clubs which could take advantage of that (Gillingham??), the player would have to continue living in France and commute to the club each day which wouldn't really work, and the French FA would have to give their permission (fat chance). The only realistic impact of that rule for the UK is that most transfers of 16/17 year olds could continue between clubs in Northern Ireland and those in the northern third or so of the Republic.
 
Agree Max Tainio is an overseas player but as he's an ex players son I tend to think of him as one of the "extended family" and not " foreign" ! I guess the Overseas/foreign players I was thinking if is ones signed without any previous Spurs affiliations.

Last season we signed Parrott ( but I did say nobody outside British Isles so whilst Irish he still ranks the same as domestic signed players)
Parrott was the Jan window in the season before. He played 3 times for the U18s in 17/18 season.
 


I've long held the belief that we should bring in Warburton to Spurs. I think the Club needs a CEO (even more so as we get bigger by the season). The two candidates would be Warburton and Nicola Cortese. I think the position becomes even more acute given the absence of a DoF too.

Warburton is Spurs through and through, a local lad who went to Latymer School (soft twats 'we' beat on with such glee). Apparently, I've been to Spurs with him a couple of times but have almost zero memory as there were a few of us going together (mates would bring their mates etc). Whilst not hitting the heights of his Brentford days there is clearly a clever man there on the football side of things whilst his previous City life gives a degree of business accumen too. However, having heard him interviewed a few times now it does appear that he's simply living his dream working on the football side of things, so maybe the business side wouldn't interest him.

Anyway, back on topic, this might be a good destination for our lads whilst QPR continue to go fully COYS.


I like Warburton too, but what would you see his responsibilities being as a CEO - aren't these pretty much covered by Levy's hands on all remit already?

Unless you meant more of a DOF type role, which I think could be good for Warburton's combination of Football (inc academy) and financial (trading) skillset?
 
I like Warburton too, but what would you see his responsibilities being as a CEO - aren't these pretty much covered by Levy's hands on all remit already?

Unless you meant more of a DOF type role, which I think could be good for Warburton's combination of Football (inc academy) and financial (trading) skillset?
Let Levy be Chairman & drive and oversee the Club. Whilst having a lean management structure has its advantages (ours is tiny with him and 3 others!!!). Have a hands on CEO to take all the heavy lifting from Levy whilst also supporting the football operations. What’s unique to Warburton is that he is not only has proven business experience but he’s also now proved/proving his football credentials too. The same can be said in reverse for Cortsese. Both of these men are well known for their attention to detail (Cortese being the first person to introduce having individual mattresses for players even when staying at hotels, even demanding the use of a specific washing powder to wash the sheets, a practice now adopted by many sports teams - marginal gains).

Whilst we have Poch it’s unlikely he wants a DoF, I’m OK with this as it’s keeping him sweet, there are still question marks on his ability to buy and sell players (we appear to be struggling to sell players on very small wages for example), maybe this is where Levy best focuses some energy as it is a strength.

Loads of ways to split responsibilities up and have them aligned to the right skill sets without having to follow a job title.

What we have isn’t broken on the contrary we are highly effective and are envied by most football clubs given are rise both on and off the pitch. But I think we can get more done with more speed and with greater focus by having a hands on CEO that has experience in both business and football. A DoF is one of this positions that only seems to divide a club rather than bring it together.
 
Apologies if its already been posted, but it looks like Stuart Lewis, who has just retired from playing, will be coaching our U16s from now on.

He was at the club for for 3 years after signing from Woolwich when he was 17 in 2004.
 
Let Levy be Chairman & drive and oversee the Club. Whilst having a lean management structure has its advantages (ours is tiny with him and 3 others!!!). Have a hands on CEO to take all the heavy lifting from Levy whilst also supporting the football operations. What’s unique to Warburton is that he is not only has proven business experience but he’s also now proved/proving his football credentials too. The same can be said in reverse for Cortsese. Both of these men are well known for their attention to detail (Cortese being the first person to introduce having individual mattresses for players even when staying at hotels, even demanding the use of a specific washing powder to wash the sheets, a practice now adopted by many sports teams - marginal gains).

Whilst we have Poch it’s unlikely he wants a DoF, I’m OK with this as it’s keeping him sweet, there are still question marks on his ability to buy and sell players (we appear to be struggling to sell players on very small wages for example), maybe this is where Levy best focuses some energy as it is a strength.

Loads of ways to split responsibilities up and have them aligned to the right skill sets without having to follow a job title.

What we have isn’t broken on the contrary we are highly effective and are envied by most football clubs given are rise both on and off the pitch. But I think we can get more done with more speed and with greater focus by having a hands on CEO that has experience in both business and football. A DoF is one of this positions that only seems to divide a club rather than bring it together.

There’s no way Levy works with someone like Cortese, unless Levy’s actually stepping away from day to day running of the club. Which is unlikely.

The only role I could see Warburton fulfilling would be more like a DOF type role.

Personally I’d welcome that, but as you say, Poch isn’t so keen.
 
There’s no way Levy works with someone like Cortese, unless Levy’s actually stepping away from day to day running of the club. Which is unlikely.

The only role I could see Warburton fulfilling would be more like a DOF type role.

Personally I’d welcome that, but as you say, Poch isn’t so keen.
They are just my musings and I absolutely do not see it happening. But yes, the point would be for Levy to step away from deciding the colour of the toilets. For the most part, Levy's running of the club has been exceptional and I certainly would want his knowledge expertise and the continuity of his leadership to remain. I just see pockets or voids within our structure.

As for DoF I am completely split on them, I can have an argument with myself in a phonebox to the merits both for and against, it's probably why I've suggested a CEO role as I'm both currently content with Levy and Poch, whilst still seeing areas of improvement in both the non-football and football sides (the biggest steer is simply the size of the organisation vs the size of the board whilst I hate too many Chiefs I just don't think we have enough).
 
Let Levy be Chairman & drive and oversee the Club. Whilst having a lean management structure has its advantages (ours is tiny with him and 3 others!!!). Have a hands on CEO to take all the heavy lifting from Levy whilst also supporting the football operations. What’s unique to Warburton is that he is not only has proven business experience but he’s also now proved/proving his football credentials too. The same can be said in reverse for Cortsese. Both of these men are well known for their attention to detail (Cortese being the first person to introduce having individual mattresses for players even when staying at hotels, even demanding the use of a specific washing powder to wash the sheets, a practice now adopted by many sports teams - marginal gains).

Whilst we have Poch it’s unlikely he wants a DoF, I’m OK with this as it’s keeping him sweet, there are still question marks on his ability to buy and sell players (we appear to be struggling to sell players on very small wages for example), maybe this is where Levy best focuses some energy as it is a strength.

Loads of ways to split responsibilities up and have them aligned to the right skill sets without having to follow a job title.

What we have isn’t broken on the contrary we are highly effective and are envied by most football clubs given are rise both on and off the pitch. But I think we can get more done with more speed and with greater focus by having a hands on CEO that has experience in both business and football. A DoF is one of this positions that only seems to divide a club rather than bring it together.

Only thing I'd disagree on is that a trading background is a sufficiently wide business background to do a wide ranging role as CEO.

I don't know that much detail of Warburton's role as s trader but most traders have only a handful of others ( usually more junior traders - so a similar intersect etc) versus CEO of a company employing hundreds ( and on match days thousands) of people.

Likewise traders take on board, analysts forecasts of likely price trends early each morning before embarking on their daily quest as to what to buy or sell sometimes at an instants notice and usually within a narrow range ( eg metals or oil or commodities etc,) of products so they will know a huge amount about supply and demand within their specialist range of products, but only a general knowledge about other products outside that range. A CEO is likely to have a previous background in a functional management role taking on increasing responsibilities with increasing "rank' meaning that someone starting as a marketing specialist leaned a lot about IT or finance or people management etc so before they become CEO have a pretty broad knowledge of business - big contrast with the average trader.

So whilst he could be a good CEO it's more likely he would be better as a DoF negotiating player acquisitions and taking on other player management responsibilities.

Whilst I think Spurs could definitely benefit from having a third person to add to Levy and Poch in player acquisition and management, question is how to divide up the responsibilities in a way that Poch is happy (,and also Levy happy although as Chairman provided he had oversight of everything, that is easier to accomplish).
 

Now, following his recovery, Amos is determined to get back on track and is relishing the season ahead with QPR.

“It has been a tough nine months but I am really excited now,” he told www.qpr.co.uk.

“I haven’t wasted a day in that whole time. I feel physically fit and the next step for me is being back in games and that’s something I am looking forward to.

“I feel like I was hungry to succeed before – but now I am absolutely starving! It has been such a tough journey and I want it now more than ever.

“I want to enjoy my football but that enjoyment comes from winning lots of games and playing lots of games, so that’s my target.”

Amos also revealed that the opportunity to work with Mark Warburton was a big factor in his decision to come to QPR, explaining: “I have heard good things about him from players that have worked with him so when I got told about the move, for me it was a no brainer.”

Warburton added: “I know the quality that Luke has and how he can impact matches.

“He is clever on the ball, has technical ability and a passion for the game. I have admired him from afar and with Tottenham being my local team, I have seen him many times and watched him work.

“He can get forward, he sees the pass, sees the opportunity, opens up play and can create in tight areas. He is a strong midfield talent who will really push hard to play week in, week out.


“I am very grateful to Mauricio Pochettino, his staff and John McDermott who have helped this loan to happen.”
 
Only thing I'd disagree on is that a trading background is a sufficiently wide business background to do a wide ranging role as CEO.

I don't know that much detail of Warburton's role as s trader but most traders have only a handful of others ( usually more junior traders - so a similar intersect etc) versus CEO of a company employing hundreds ( and on match days thousands) of people.

Likewise traders take on board, analysts forecasts of likely price trends early each morning before embarking on their daily quest as to what to buy or sell sometimes at an instants notice and usually within a narrow range ( eg metals or oil or commodities etc,) of products so they will know a huge amount about supply and demand within their specialist range of products, but only a general knowledge about other products outside that range. A CEO is likely to have a previous background in a functional management role taking on increasing responsibilities with increasing "rank' meaning that someone starting as a marketing specialist leaned a lot about IT or finance or people management etc so before they become CEO have a pretty broad knowledge of business - big contrast with the average trader.

So whilst he could be a good CEO it's more likely he would be better as a DoF negotiating player acquisitions and taking on other player management responsibilities.

Whilst I think Spurs could definitely benefit from having a third person to add to Levy and Poch in player acquisition and management, question is how to divide up the responsibilities in a way that Poch is happy (,and also Levy happy although as Chairman provided he had oversight of everything, that is easier to accomplish).
Cortese was a trader and held many other roles a few banks before coming to Southampton, he became an exceptional CEO for them, what he did at Southampton was utterly brilliant. A lot was made of Les Reed's work but that all went to shit the moment Cortese left (sure the change of ownership going first to the daughter and then Chinese and I'm not close enough to truly evaluate other than have a helicopter view of it all, but things went to shit the second Cortese wasn't back by the board).

There is no chosen path that makes a good CEO, most traders I know were simply lucky bastards who happened to be at the right place at the right time, earnt a stack of money and retired in their late 30yrs to pursue a passion be that running a bar, florists or a Bakery. It didn't matter if these businesses made money or not, they had a property portfolio earning them £400k per year! I merely talking about two very different men who have an aptitude for both business (successful) and football and I like the cut of their jibs.
 
Cortese was a trader and held many other roles a few banks before coming to Southampton, he became an exceptional CEO for them, what he did at Southampton was utterly brilliant. A lot was made of Les Reed's work but that all went to shit the moment Cortese left (sure the change of ownership going first to the daughter and then Chinese and I'm not close enough to truly evaluate other than have a helicopter view of it all, but things went to shit the second Cortese wasn't back by the board).

There is no chosen path that makes a good CEO, most traders I know were simply lucky bastards who happened to be at the right place at the right time, earnt a stack of money and retired in their late 30yrs to pursue a passion be that running a bar, florists or a Bakery. It didn't matter if these businesses made money or not, they had a property portfolio earning them £400k per year! I merely talking about two very different men who have an aptitude for both business (successful) and football and I like the cut of their jibs.

I don't know enough about Warburton as a trader other than an article on him talking about trading and another that he took footballers to see how a trading floor worked - hence it's all been about trading.

Cortes's as you say seemed to have had several roles at banks so a more varied work before going to Southampton.

There is no certainty as to whether an individual will be a success as a CEO but having held s number of different types of file before becoming a CEO is usually helpful experience.

But traders are street wise, and these days often highly educated people who may take to being a CEO either like a duck to water.....or as a lead weight.

Btw will be out for a few beers with s former senior metal trader ( retired full time in his 30s at the top of his profession although still runs a small trading busines ) in a couple of hours who has run a few non trading businesses since....
 
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