Does that mean no other team non sovereign wealth backed new or old are in that top ten. Genuinely curious.
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PSG and City are in the top 10 (6th & 5th respectfully)
Spurs (10th) have pushed out Juve and Dortmund in the last couple of years, I think (can't be arsed to double-check) we were behind Inter and AC Milan, behind Atleti. If memory serves we were on par with Schalke, maybe just behind them 10yrs ago.
Chavs backed by Abramovich have been in top ten for more than a decade now.
Via astonishing, radical overperformance by a manager that's no longer here.
This all ultimately comes down to whether there is any plausible path to remaining a CL knockout stage team under established ENIC business practices.
So you are saying we are a 5th/6th placed club and nothing more?
Its not. What's hard to understand is in the light of our unprecedented lack of silverware we're not even competing with the likes of Brighton, Bournmouth, Watford and West Ham etc.
The Premier League table based on net spend in the last five years
At this very moment I'd rate us, potentially, a shade above that.
But without Eriksen, Jan and Toby? 5th/6th place might be ambitious without huge investment.
That’s odd, because we have been so much better +18 months ago than we are right at this very moment in time, are you not saying we didn’t deserve that too?
So we replace them. This is what happens, we may we’ll have already replaced Toby and Jan with Foyth and Sanchez. Eriksen isn’t a starter right now and we’ve bought Lo Celso.
Asked and answered.
And that's why I think 6th place might be ambitious in future seasons.
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............and you're the living proof with that post.
The teams you've listed haven't finished above us in decades so errr you want us to play in the Championship or bottom half of the table? What is your argument here? We are competing and beating those teams you mention.
Well that's the thing. If we're going to spend like that while playing hardball running down the contracts of our existing players, that's going to be a heck of a lot of investment.
But that's not what's being suggested as the interpretation of Levy's comments.
You missed the point of my post completely.
You're right. We constantly finish above the clubs I mentioned. But we also constantly come up short when it really matters on the pitch. You just can't defend 1 league cup in 2 decades when the owners invest less in the team in real terms than the clubs in question.
Under our business model, the game is far more about profit than glory.
If , in January, we were in the midst of a title race, we would be far less likely to take a gamble on an overpriced player that just might make the difference than any of our rivals.
The balance sheet will always come first, as Poch found out these last couple of years.
So I'll ask you yet again. What point are you trying to make by saying "we're not even competing with the likes of Brighton, Bournemouth, Watford and West Ham"?You missed the point of my post completely.
You're right. We constantly finish above the clubs I mentioned. But we also constantly come up short when it really matters on the pitch. You just can't defend 1 league cup in 2 decades when the owners invest less in the team in real terms than the clubs in question.
Under our business model, the game is far more about profit than glory.
If , in January, we were in the midst of a title race, we would be far less likely to take a gamble on an overpriced player that just might make the difference than any of our rivals.
The balance sheet will always come first, as Poch found out these last couple of years.
You’re arguing against a bot on the ENIC payrollYou missed the point of my post completely.
You're right. We constantly finish above the clubs I mentioned. But we also constantly come up short when it really matters on the pitch. You just can't defend 1 league cup in 2 decades when the owners invest less in the team in real terms than the clubs in question.
Under our business model, the game is far more about profit than glory.
If , in January, we were in the midst of a title race, we would be far less likely to take a gamble on an overpriced player that just might make the difference than any of our rivals.
The balance sheet will always come first, as Poch found out these last couple of years.
It's pretty obvious to me that the way to improve long term is investment in training facilities and youth team
People say Kane coming through is lucky/a fluke.....but Kane, Winks, Bentaleb, Mason, Townsend, Caulker, Carter-Vickers, etc can't all be. Granted they aren't all good enough, but those that weren't were sold for very good money which you can then reinvest.
Other PL teams are either too lazy or in too much of a hurry to bother, so they cheat by spending money they don't have.
People say Kane coming through is lucky/a fluke.....but Kane, Winks, Bentaleb, Mason, Townsend, Caulker, Carter-Vickers, etc can't all be. Granted they aren't all good enough, but those that weren't were sold for very good money which you can then reinvest.
Other PL teams are either too lazy or in too much of a hurry to bother, so they cheat by spending money they don't have.
He sounds like an idiot with the "obsession with spending money doesnt happen overseas" nonsense.
Apologies for deleting the rest but wanted this bit to be prevalent.
Poch earned a lot of money. He signed a new contract not that long ago. He knew the deal from day one.
He also would be at least partially aware of the fact that he earned one of the highest salaries in the world due to the tight running of the club with consistent profit.
Any employee should understand where their pay cheque comes from each month and that a dip in profits or a loss, would impact you as an employee.
I'm not sticking up for the business model or Levy. I'm just pointing out that a very highly paid individual who willingly agreed to extend his stay would have been aware and should have been on side.
I didn't say he was obsessing, Daniel Levy said that we have to stop this obsession with spending money in England because it doesn't happen overseas.
Not only is that not true (the biggest transfers in football have happened overseas) but it's also stupidly unrealistic for him to think that other clubs are going to stop "obsessing" over spending money.
Also, fans and media obsess over big transfers overseas as well, it's just a stupid statement to make imo and shows he has a blind spot in this area.
At the end of the day he is clearly saying here we can't spend money like those clubs and if that's the case then we have to make sure that whoever we do buy is going to be a success and improve our scouting network (the latter of which is the most important aspect of success imo.)
Youth will never be enough in the modern game, that's a sad reality but it also comes down to talent, only a very small percentage of players are good enough at the top level, it really is quite a fluke that Kane turned out to be such a world class forward, that's not something that comes around often.
I think the best way to improve in the future is have a better scouting network and try to find great talent at a young age, that way we can remain competitive if we aren't willing to spend like the "cheaters."