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pipes said:
No, you’re not right. Levy has to take some of the blame, but your hysterics every time we lose doesn’t equal a winning argument. You spent months on here denying our new stadium was being built. You’ve hardly got purchase in the “I’m right” department
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Although when I said ducking out of 2 successive transfer Windows would come back to bite us I was proven right.

When I said that it would be Poch that carried the can and took the wrath of our fans when the inevitable slump occurred I was proven right.

When I said the relationship between Poch and Levy was at breaking point nearly everyone on here laughed and said they were in perfect harmony. Again, I was proved right.

Right, right and right again.

And here we are today with our worst points total going into Xmas for over a decade with a chairman openly staying he dislikes spending money on the team.

You can hide behind all the sound bites and so called boring accusations all you like, but the cold hard facts back me up.

With Levy, we'll continue to operate a great business model. But we'll never have what it takes to deliver the trophies and winning mentality our fans deserve
 
John Thomas said:
Although when I said ducking out of 2 successive transfer Windows would come back to bite us I was proven right.

When I said that it would be Poch that carried the can and took the wrath of our fans when the inevitable slump occurred I was proven right.

When I said the relationship between Poch and Levy was at breaking point nearly everyone on here laughed and said they were in perfect harmony. Again, I was proved right.

Right, right and right again.

And here we are today with our worst points total going into Xmas for over a decade with a chairman openly staying he dislikes spending money on the team.

You can hide behind all the sound bites and so called boring accusations all you like, but the cold hard facts back me up.

With Levy, we'll continue to operate a great business model. But we'll never have what it takes to deliver the trophies and winning mentality our fans deserve
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Sorry, when were you right about the windows biting us on the arse? Was it when we were kicking off in the CL final or when we heard the final whistle? Were you right this morning when we were 3 points off fourth or now when it’s 6? Why are you only right when we lose? Wouldn’t that make you wrong when we win?

Well done for being the ONLY person to see the Poch sacking coming. Nobody else saw that at all. Riiiiiight.

And where is the evidence that Poch was at breaking point with Levy? Has Poch said something I’ve missed? I’d suggest the fact that Poch was sacked means Levy was at breaking point with him.

Wrong, wrong, wrong again.

Yes, we’ve got a poor return on points this season, but that’s probably due to the previous manager more than anyone else on the staff.
 
pipes said:
Sorry, when were you right about the windows biting us on the arse? Was it when we were kicking off in the CL final or when we heard the final whistle? Were you right this morning when we were 3 points off fourth or now when it’s 6? Why are you only right when we lose? Wouldn’t that make you wrong when we win?

Well done for being the ONLY person to see the Poch sacking coming. Nobody else saw that at all. Riiiiiight.

And where is the evidence that Poch was at breaking point with Levy? Has Poch said something I’ve missed? I’d suggest the fact that Poch was sacked means Levy was at breaking point with him.

Wrong, wrong, wrong again.

Yes, we’ve got a poor return on points this season, but that’s probably due to the previous manager more than anyone else on the staff.
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ummm..I was right when I said not signing any players would bite us in the arse.

I was right when I said, at the height of his popularity, that Poch would be the one who the fans turned against while Levy again got a free pass from fans like yourself .

I was right when I said that when Poch said we needed to be brave last summer he didn't mean we shouldn't sign any players at all.

And are you really saying that our lowest points return since Ramos is entirely down to our most consistent, promising manager in a generation and nothing to do with the man who failed to back him???

Sorry. Your in complete denial mate.
 
pipes said:
Yes. Must be missing your point.

Can’t be arsed going through their full squads, but would you swap Kane for Higuain, Costa, Morata, even an ageing but still class Lewandowski? How about their centre halves for our Belgian lads?

Id have Trippier back. Cristiano, like we are the only side that couldn’t afford him. Dybala, yes. Oblak in goal instead of Hugo. Gnabry looked amazing against us. Other than that, not sure who else I’d have if I’d any change from the half a billion that lot would cost.
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It was mainly the squad depth they all have and most of them are not paying the wages we pay, they seem o get more value for the money they spend.
Not sure how athletico especially have all the exceptional midfielders they do, and a lot of juves too.
But most of them on a fraction of what we are paying some of the dead weight we have..
 
John Thomas said:
ummm..I was right when I said not signing any players would bite us in the arse.

I was right when I said, at the height of his popularity, that Poch would be the one who the fans turned against while Levy again got a free pass from fans like yourself .

I was right when I said that when Poch said we needed to be brave last summer he didn't mean we shouldn't sign any players at all.

And are you really saying that our lowest points return since Ramos is entirely down to our most consistent, promising manager in a generation and nothing to do with the man who failed to back him???

Sorry. Your in complete denial mate.
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But when is our lack of signings two years ago biting us? All the time? Since when? Was it biting when we got to the CL final? Was there a lack of signings then? Or when we battered Burnley 5-0? Or just today because we lost? Let’s say we’d have signed a couple of players in each window, are you honestly suggesting we’d have been up there on 100 points with city and liverpool? And I’m in denial?

I didn’t turn against Poch at the height of his popularity. Nobody did, you fucking lunatic. I’d say the height of his popularity was almost at the end of last season, crying in Amsterdam. Even during a horrible patch of away form, everyone loved the guy. He only got turned against when he started phoning it in this season, after saying he’d probably leave soon anyway. And at no point have I said that our points total is down to him alone. I’ve quite obviously said not one person is to be congratulated or otherwise for good or bad performances. Learn to read please. Our points total is due to Poch MORE than anyone else, but not entirely down to him. Don’t make me cut and paste that.

Look, you hate Levy and you’ll never give him a spark of credit. Fair enough, I’ll not change your entrenched views, no matter how mental they are. And you are posting them in the Levy out thread, so fair there too. I’ll leave it now, but please, for your own sanity, let it go too. You’re better than this. It’s making you look like a mental.
 
John Thomas said:
So. In the space of a few weeks Jose has been out-foxed by the worst manager in the premier league, Ole, and a pie munching novice working under a transfer embargo.
Has Jose lost the plot boys?
Or is Levy's cowardly betrayal of Poch, the team and the fans for 2 of the last 3 transfer windows taking it's toll.

It'll take years to get back where we were. And Levy's recent whining about spending money on players is sounding more ominous than ever.
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Dear god do you ever find the negative in everything.
 
pipes said:
Look, you hate Levy and you’ll never give him a spark of credit. Fair enough, I’ll not change your entrenched views, no matter how mental they are. And you are posting them in the Levy out thread, so fair there too. I’ll leave it now, but please, for your own sanity, let it go too. You’re better than this. It’s making you look like a mental.
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Ha! I've applauded and praised Levy on numerous occassions in the past, my friend.
Please don't make me embarrass you further by cut and pasting previous quotes.
But i'll also call him out where i see fit.
And so long as he shows he cares far more anout the balance sheet than the football team I'll continue to post my opinions.
Maybe this isn't the thread for you, blue. Perhaps, for your own sanity you should put me, or the thread, on ignore.
 
John Thomas said:
Although when I said ducking out of 2 successive transfer Windows would come back to bite us I was proven right.

When I said that it would be Poch that carried the can and took the wrath of our fans when the inevitable slump occurred I was proven right.

When I said the relationship between Poch and Levy was at breaking point nearly everyone on here laughed and said they were in perfect harmony. Again, I was proved right.

Right, right and right again.

And here we are today with our worst points total going into Xmas for over a decade with a chairman openly staying he dislikes spending money on the team.

You can hide behind all the sound bites and so called boring accusations all you like, but the cold hard facts back me up.

With Levy, we'll continue to operate a great business model. But we'll never have what it takes to deliver the trophies and winning mentality our fans deserve
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Bravo m8. You called it. Poch is gone and Jose has lost two league games.

And remind me what you actually did about it on top of scoring points off strangers on the internet?

You "Levy out" lot talk a lot of talk - but not much in the way of actual action.
 
John Thomas said:
Ha! I've applauded and praised Levy on numerous occassions in the past, my friend.
Please don't make me embarrass you further by cut and pasting previous quotes.
But i'll also call him out where i see fit.
And so long as he shows he cares far more anout the balance sheet than the football team I'll continue to post my opinions.
Maybe this isn't the thread for you, blue. Perhaps, for your own sanity you should put me, or the thread, on ignore.
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True. If you're a big levy fan who's gonna be upset & offended when you read negative posts about him, you probably should stay off the levy out thread.
 
pipes said:
But when is our lack of signings two years ago biting us? All the time? Since when? Was it biting when we got to the CL final? Was there a lack of signings then? Or when we battered Burnley 5-0? Or just today because we lost? Let’s say we’d have signed a couple of players in each window, are you honestly suggesting we’d have been up there on 100 points with city and liverpool? And I’m in denial?

I didn’t turn against Poch at the height of his popularity. Nobody did, you fucking lunatic. I’d say the height of his popularity was almost at the end of last season, crying in Amsterdam. Even during a horrible patch of away form, everyone loved the guy. He only got turned against when he started phoning it in this season, after saying he’d probably leave soon anyway. And at no point have I said that our points total is down to him alone. I’ve quite obviously said not one person is to be congratulated or otherwise for good or bad performances. Learn to read please. Our points total is due to Poch MORE than anyone else, but not entirely down to him. Don’t make me cut and paste that.

Look, you hate Levy and you’ll never give him a spark of credit. Fair enough, I’ll not change your entrenched views, no matter how mental they are. And you are posting them in the Levy out thread, so fair there too. I’ll leave it now, but please, for your own sanity, let it go too. You’re better than this. It’s making you look like a mental.
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so you’re saying not refreshing the squad wasn‘t and isn’t having a detrimental effect on our form?

absurd position to take imho.
 
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Kopspur said:
so you’re saying not refreshing the squad wasn‘t and isn’t having a detrimental effect on our form?

absurd position to take imho.
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It has a detrimental effect when we lose. An effect that weirdly disappears when we win 5-0 or get to the CL final. When those happen it’s due to a squad maturing together and not too much rotation.

We all need someone or something to blame when shit goes wrong in our lives. Some posters on here have that person as Levy, no matter what. I even saw a quote a few days back saying it was Levy’s fault for something going wrong ON THE PITCH. Not sure how that works.

I’d rather say that not buying for two windows did have a detrimental effect on us yes. It had a part to play in us having such poor away form for the whole of 2019. Just a part though. I’m also dishing out blame to Poch, the players, scouting team, fitness coach etc as they’ve all had a part to play too.

It’s not all down to a wee bald fella in the stands. Nor is our successes due only to him either.
 
Sincere question, if this appointment of Mourinho fails and we end up missing out on the top four and fail to win a trophy under him, is it time we seriously start looking at ENIC and Levy and asking questions about their competency as owners for providing success on the pitch and delivering silverware? After all it's been over a decade with numerous managers being sacked in the apparent pursuit of success and yet all we have seen is failure to attain silverware?

I mean, based on Levys interview this week, he doesn't seem all that concerned about winning trophies, he even downplayed the importance of finishing in the top four, which strikes me as very odd considering he appointed Mourinho, not exactly a manager happy with settling for lack of ambition, unless he has changed (I doubt this very much.)

I just feel like Levy has his head in the right place in the sense of running a profitable business but he has a blind spot when it comes to spending to increase the success on the pitch for the supporters of the club.

He complains about the "obsession with spending" and how it needs to stop and complains about huge transfer fees but is more than happy to add to the problem when he sells our players for huge sums, it makes no sense.

I praised him for appointing Mourinho as I felt the appointment showed real ambition but I feel like in order for this to work he also needs to understand that investment in the team will be needed to take us to the next level, otherwise it just looks like he appointed Mourinho to give paying supporters the impression that we mean business in order to keep them turning up, at some point you have to question what ENIC really want for this football club because we can't keep repeating the same cycle over and over again.

Yesterday, watching us lose yet again to another rival just made me feel utterly miserable, it's getting to the point where I am starting to lose faith that we will ever be anything more than we currently are because of the way our owners operate and that's incredibly sad because it feels like, as fans, we are completely powerless.
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
Sincere question, if this appointment of Mourinho fails and we end up missing out on the top four and fail to win a trophy under him, is it time we seriously start looking at ENIC and Levy and asking questions about their competency as owners for providing success on the pitch and delivering silverware? After all it's been over a decade with numerous managers being sacked in the apparent pursuit of success and yet all we have seen is failure to attain silverware?

I mean, based on Levys interview this week, he doesn't seem all that concerned about winning trophies, he even downplayed the importance of finishing in the top four, which strikes me as very odd considering he appointed Mourinho, not exactly a manager happy with settling for lack of ambition, unless he has changed (I doubt this very much.)

I just feel like Levy has his head in the right place in the sense of running a profitable business but he has a blind spot when it comes to spending to increase the success on the pitch for the supporters of the club.

He complains about the "obsession with spending" and how it needs to stop and complains about huge transfer fees but is more than happy to add to the problem when he sells our players for huge sums, it makes no sense.

I praised him for appointing Mourinho as I felt the appointment showed real ambition but I feel like in order for this to work he also needs to understand that investment in the team will be needed to take us to the next level, otherwise it just looks like he appointed Mourinho to give paying supporters the impression that we mean business in order to keep them turning up, at some point you have to question what ENIC really want for this football club because we can't keep repeating the same cycle over and over again.

Yesterday, watching us lose yet again to another rival just made me feel utterly miserable, it's getting to the point where I am starting to lose faith that we will ever be anything more than we currently are because of the way our owners operate and that's incredibly sad because it feels like, as fans, we are completely powerless.
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Great post mate.

The thing with Levy is, I actually think that on a personal level he probably wants Tottenham to be successful. He wants us to win trophies. But he is in charge of a company that do not share these views. Joe Lewis and ENIC are an investment company. While they are in charge of the club, reaching the highest level and winning silverware will NEVER be the objective and the sooner our fans realize that the better. Pochettino brought us so close but was shot down before he could finish what he started. The stadium that has been built is magnificent, fantastic, but you’re very naive if you think it was built to “propel us on to a new level” or any of that party line stuff Levy threw out. It was built because it brings in more money for our owners. Simple as.

Levy and ENIC have done some great things for the club. But it’s been nearly 20 years, and we have one league cup.... how much longer can it go on before everyone wakes up to the fact that trophies and success on the pitch are not what they want from the club?
 
So, the owners of the company don’t want us to be successful and reach the highest level? Interesting business plan. Not one I’ve come across before to be fair.

Maybe that’s the issue. Maybe Lewis and Levy want us to lose so we don’t do too well. Levy presently growling at Mourinho that he has to keep playing Dier and Sissoko so we don’t become successful.
 
pipes said:
So, the owners of the company don’t want us to be successful and reach the highest level? Interesting business plan. Not one I’ve come across before to be fair.

Maybe that’s the issue. Maybe Lewis and Levy want us to lose so we don’t do too well. Levy presently growling at Mourinho that he has to keep playing Dier and Sissoko so we don’t become successful.
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I don't think "the highest level" is the goal for ENIC, if they achieve that then obviously that's a bonus in their eyes but I think for our owners the goal is to make sure we continue to remain profitable and successful within the definitions of their own business model, I don't think winning trophies is of any importance to them, what is important is maintaining a successful and profitable business model.

Now I could be completely wrong, I am not suggesting my opinion is correct here and I think you're right when you say that they don't want us to lose games, that would just make no sense for them to want us to fail but I do question how much their business model actually benefits the supporters of the club in terms of seeing the team achieve silverware.

What do you think?
 
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