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Manager Jose Mourinho

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Last few pages of this thread are interesting. Some healthy debate.

In terms of the performance vs results.

Anyone who is looking for performances under JM is going to be disappointed. I don't buy his retort of scoring 100 goals with RM etc. The talent he had available with that squad was unbelievable.

JM is a results manager. The football will be dire but results normally go his way. However when they don't he doesn't have anything to fall back on. There are many fans of Spurs who like the playing style to be a certain way i.e. The spurs way. These fans will find it difficult viewing with JM.

Poch had a certain pattern of play and recently moved away from it and paid a hefty price.

We are at a crossroads as a club. Liverpool have the balance right at the moment between performance and results. Only thing that is common at the moment are the players and until the players are motivated and buy into the club vision we are going to be a club in limbo.

The biggest issue at the moment is the club has no vision. Stemming from board level down to the staff and then the players.

For me JM is a short term solution. He won't see out his contract with us. He will do whatever he can with what he has but I don't think we will see the genius football manager that JM has been seen to be previously. It'll be the petulant version and things may go south very quickly which will make the decision of the next manager interesting.

Will levy start a new project with an up and coming manager?

There's no doubt I want JM to do well, but that's only because he is in charge of my club. That doesn't mean he is going to have everyone on board - fans and players alike. The Ndombele thing is a good example of that and some fractures are starting to appear IMO. Personally I think Levy is hoping JM will shift the deadwood, but I can't see Levy letting him loose with the chequebook until the next manager comes in. By then he will be hoping the stadium will be paid off mostly and the new project will start. Names like Nagelsmann will become frontrunners.

That's my tuppence worth in true Mystic Meg style.
 
Jose won't survive the season, take a look at our jan fixtures alone, will give jose a headache.

There's a very thin line between pragmatism and stubborness, and persisting with 4231 when you don't have the correct personnel to implement it effectively is criminal and petulant and also is not helping the team in any capacity.

With our current personel, the best formation for us is 4312, the reason i have not suggested 433 is because the end product from lamela and moura is iffy, and the idea is to setup from a position of strength.

at the back
aurier ------------sanchez----------Toby or Tanganga ---------vert / davies - until we can upgrade our full back positions

our full backs not venturing forward that much and focusing on defending

In midfield

sissoko ---------skipp -------winks - wiinks will give us a little creativty in the middle of the park, and keep the ball moving,both winks and sissoko will help us win the ball back, and the reason i have skipp in the centre , is he is dynamic, reading of the game is ok and has pace.

attacking midfield --- Le Celso and Ali as a super sub - Le Celso will give us the guile to feed the front two and can also drop deep to help our build up play

up top

Son alongside Harry or Parrot - when Le Celso drops deeper Son can move into his space - harry,son and Le Celso, form a triangle

We won't currently have width from our full backs, but what we will have solidity in the middle of the park, and in defence.

In defence ideally i would prefer sanchez and tanganga, to form a partnership, as both players have the pace, to make last ditch tackles.

On the bench --- Ali,Moura,Lamela,toby, a keeper,parrot, ndombele - ease him into the league, a few games here and there, with a view on next season, he will most likely take sissoko's place.

By having WInks and Le Celso in the team, we would be less likely to lump it up.

In the summer i would look to get rid of Ali,Moura,Lamela, siisoko? - if we can make anything between 60 to 80 mill for the three, that can be reinvested into the squad without levy feeling he has to dip into his pocket.

Getting fourth is nice, this season, but i would look at the big picture and focus on building the foundation for next season, and even if we end up in the europa league, surely jose is as capable as anyone of winning it, thus securing our champions league status for the season after next at the same time making a fist of it, in the league and other cup competitions next season.
 
Remember, we created 4 chances that really should have produced goals against Saints.

Too casual from Alli.

Poor finish from Kane.

Open goal missed by Jan.

Terrible pass from Sissoko.

YES, we have defensive issues; but we need to be more clinical in front of goal.
 
Of course he's not going to be a fucking success. Two months in and he's already slagging players off to the press. His job is to build them up. Get them playing. Conjure up the incentives. Stick a fucking Big Mac in a gimbal and wave it around in front of Dier's face.

The other day, right at the tail end of the match, the camera caught his face. It wasn't his usual expression, the one that looks like he's been licking bumblebees. It was raw fucking fear. Like he'd finally clocked what he'd gotten himself into. Many of those merry men Robin Hood had abracadabra'd in his mind have turned out to be mentally burnt out shadows. The clock struck 12 sometime last season or so and princes turned into paupers.

He's stuck with a flaky squad that appear to be about as connected as a hermit conga, probably not much budget, and an EPL that's changed, even in the year he's been out. Does he have the ability to adapt and link them back together? Like fuck he does. It'll be like watching a chimp at a switchboard. As far as psychology goes, he's Mr Throwback. He's an analog Nokia. He's a 50lb 17" CRT monitor. He's Brendan Fraser in an Alan Partridge windbreaker.
 
Ginolaflair said:
Am I the only one whose had my arse with Jose already? I'm already sick of his fucking antics on the sidelines and his digging players out in pressers etc. He is already acting like he's in his 3rd year and wants a payoff. Totally fucking sick of him already...let's not even mention the way he has made changes to personnel and tactics like its going out of fashion...(I know some were forced)... feels like a manger in his last 3 month's not the first few weeks. Genuinely fucking sick of his mardy face and mardy comments. He's being a nob.
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TheSpurEst
How about making a comment rather than just a disagree?
 
Increasingly I get the worrying feeling that Levy bought Mourhino as a kind of 'trophy manager' - something to show off in his shiny new, trophiless 'trophy stadium'. The problem with trophies is that although they're shiny and impressive on the outside, they're hollow shells, devoid of content. Mourhino used to be good - hopefully he's not just a husk these days. Time will tell.
Levy must now point his cheque book in the direction (albeit belatedly) of top class players, to strengthen the team on the pitch.
What he really wants is trophies and the current set-up doesn't look like it's capable of giving him any, unless we're really lucky.
Don't get me wrong - I love the stadium and appreciate what Levy's done for the club.
 
Murphy said:
Probably the thing I hate most about this place.

The happy crossers, whack a disagree but won’t debate their point.
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There's a forum I moderate on that uses the same platform and we actually disabled the disagree button. There were too many bellends using it on every post against someone they didn't like, and those that did just disagree actually had to respond to the post.
There are some great add-ons available for this platform that can really help, things like multi detectors that stop people creating another account when they're banned and stuff like that.

Going back to the topic of the thread though, I admit I was someone who didn't really want Jose here, but I will give him my support anyway. We're only 6 or 7 weeks in and we've had a tough Christmas period so for me I'd at it's too soon to judge him.
I'm hoping we shift some deadwood this window and I'd love to see the defence strengthened, but I'm not expecting it.

I tell you what though, it must be tough being a manager or coach. There are so many differing opinions of who should be in the team and who shouldn't. And any team can look decent on paper then play poorly out on the pitch. Even when a team is winning and playing well there's always someone who'll find something to moan about.
 
harry7 said:
Remember, we created 4 chances that really should have produced goals against Saints.

Too casual from Alli.

Poor finish from Kane.

Open goal missed by Jan.

Terrible pass from Sissoko.

YES, we have defensive issues; but we need to be more clinical in front of goal.
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I agree that we need to be scoring - but we're conceeding an awful lot of goals within the first 20 mins of matches. For me this is the issue, because it makes whatever the game plan is, go up in smoke far too early.
 
I think the problem over Christmas was that because the matches came so thick and fast the players just didn't have time to do anything they were instructed and just reverted back to how we played under Pochettino...I noticed that they were even trying to play from the back against Southampton with two defenders back in the box for goal kicks...
 
I can't judge Mourinho with this team.

A gooner was spouting off last night after they won their first game in about 9.
He didn't want Mourinho when they still had Emery.
He was saying our performances aren't great and Mourinho has lost it.
I pointed out he's averaged twice as many points per game as Poch and has had to play an ageing CB at LB, a bang average keeper, no DCM, players out of contract etc etc and still done that.
Instead of saying "ok, he's getting wins despite the problems" he just deferred to the fact Poch was doing badly.

It's the same players!
 
Matt1882 said:
I can't judge Mourinho with this team.

A gooner was spouting off last night after they won their first game in about 9.
He didn't want Mourinho when they still had Emery.
He was saying our performances aren't great and Mourinho has lost it.
I pointed out he's averaged twice as many points per game as Poch and has had to play an ageing CB at LB, a bang average keeper, no DCM, players out of contract etc etc and still done that.
Instead of saying "ok, he's getting wins despite the problems" he just deferred to the fact Poch was doing badly.

It's the same players!
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Why not? He took the job and said the players were good enough.
 
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