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Transfers January 2020 transfer thread

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FightingIllini said:
It's beside my point, but I have to say, there's something really irritating about the idea that Spurs would just collapse without Levy, that he's the difference between us and being Aston Villa or something.

ENIC bought a club (in a growing, wealthy, thriving city, a critical factor to remember vis a vis Villa or Everton or whoever) with a huge and passionate support who eagerly snap up enormously expensive tickets rain or shine and who make Spurs a go-to TV presence for broadcasters as well.

THAT'S Tottenham Hotspur. Levy is just a steward, capable and accomplished though he may be.
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How about West Ham as a comparison? Also have/had the same geographical benefits during ENIC’s time. Had a bigger stadium than us for much of it, and recently a stadium with better transport infrastructure. And owners prepared to invest in players.

I think Levy has made some mistakes along the way for sure. I do not agree with all of his decisions or policies. And I think the stadium really distracted him and the last 3/4 years he made some of his biggest mistakes. He never should have ditched the DOF, especially while the stadium build was focusing all his attention. He should have been building the recruitment structure/dept not dismantling it so Poch could sign players from YouTube.

But he’s one of the few chairman in Europe that has ergonomically, and sustainably turned a mid table meh club into one of Europe’s big clubs.

When ENIC took over we were nearly West Ham, in football and financial sense, Woolwich laughed at us. We have now overtaken Woolwich in every dept including financial for the first time in PL era.

I’m not averse to an Arab sovereign wealth fund coming in and using us to sport wash their PR. But let’s be very careful what we wish for, because the ratio of owners who come in and wank it up to ones who come in and generally improve things is about 100-1.
 
John Thomas said:
Its funny. I posted this yesterday morning and the usual suspects like Sammy boy and the Bangkok fellow and others were quick to jump all over it with their usual apologetic bullshit.

If it was any other top club in our position, with a squad in dissaray, won only 8 of 22 league games, still no serious competition for a lone striker who's spent 33% of the last 3 years injured.......their fans would be demanding action and seriously questioning the boards commitment.

Our fans just keep making excuses.
When we recently became the first club not to sign a single player for a year and a half they made excuses.
In fact, the two i mention above even endorsed that blatant act of treachery that preceded one of the most alarming collapses in form in PL history .

How weird. What a strange collective mindset we have. Little Tottenham mentality.

With fans like this, we deserve to be where we are now.
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On the contrary it’s the thinking of fans like us, shared by the board, that’s the reason we are where we are now, with an optimistic January window and summer ahead of us with a world class 22 trophy manager.

The fans like you were happy with a manager who had us 14th, hadn’t won a PL away game for 11 months, lost 2 finals and 5 semis.

To you and your ilk, that was world class management.
 
scott said:
You gotta admit people are over sensitive to any criticism of levy or ENIC. Most fans couldn't give a crap what you say about their owners. Ours get really grumpy & moody by it. It does feel like some support enic & levy more strongly than the actual team.
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Talks about supporting the chairman more than the team when he wants the chairman out for not replacing the whole team
 
BangkokSpud said:
Interesting to read all the blowhards with their expert opinions on Vecino - like all the real Spurs fans on this site I watch primarily Spurs games, I do watch highlights of other games having great football coverage that includes all the big European leagues, but highlights like youtube clips are a piss poor way of judging a player, far better to ask a die-hard couple of Inter fans (yup we have 'em all out here) so I did.

Pretty much they had an identical opinion, which I took as a good sign, he's a shuffler meaning he gets the ball passes it a short distance and makes himself available, he does that all over the pitch and will create chances in the final third as well as make tackles in defence, but he's not in anyway spectacular. Just very reliable. Both were very surprised Inter would let him go, very surprised. Worth noting he's a guaranteed starter for Uruguay in the last three years.

Now whilst I'm not in the Blakey camp on Sissoko, and think Dier and Winks are better than a lot of people on here give them credit for I can see the appeal of Vecino, where our midfield tends to go missing Vecino is the bloke who always gets in the way, he's even called "il blocco" not sure if that's in praise or taking the piss.

People moan about our lack of this type of player then complain that he's "to shit" when a non superstar name gets mentioned. He might not be a Kante or a Kroos but he's not 100m either. All squads need hard working but slightly invisible squad players, Vecino might be OK for doing just that.

Could we do better? of course we could but that doesn't mean Vecino wouldn't add strength to our squad.
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An excellent post, ya cunt. Cheers
 
bus-conductor said:
How about West Ham as a comparison? Also have/had the same geographical benefits during ENIC’s time. Had a bigger stadium than us for much of it, and recently a stadium with better transport infrastructure. And owners prepared to invest in players.

I think Levy has made some mistakes along the way for sure. I do not agree with all of his decisions or policies. And I think the stadium really distracted him and the last 3/4 years he made some of his biggest mistakes. He never should have ditched the DOF, especially while the stadium build was focusing all his attention. He should have been building the recruitment structure/dept not dismantling it so Poch could sign players from YouTube.

But he’s one of the few chairman in Europe that has ergonomically, and sustainably turned a mid table meh club into one of Europe’s big clubs.

When ENIC took over we were nearly West Ham, in football and financial sense, Woolwich laughed at us. We have now overtaken Woolwich in every dept including financial for the first time in PL era.

I’m not averse to an Arab sovereign wealth fund coming in and using us to sport wash their PR. But let’s be very careful what we wish for, because the ratio of owners who come in and wank it up to ones who come in and generally improve things is about 100-1.
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Hammers never had a bigger stadium than us mate old Upton park was 35,000 ours was 36,500 roughly, so although comparable in stadium size like now it was slightly bigger.
 
Park Lane Mark Twain said:
He's the money man, that's his job isn't it surely? To grind out the best deal for the club? Since ENIC have taken over there's been well over 100 players come through the door, maybe around 115 or so when all tallied up so I can only guess the players out are similar. 200-250 transfers combined. Haggle £1m-£2m off an incoming, beef up a sale by £1m-£2m and you go from a team breaking even to a team with anything from £200m-£500m in the coffers which we do. Yes it can be tedious but you know what's worse than a tedious chairman? A reckless one and he's taken us to greater levels off the pitch due to his efficiency and how he's handled the club.

Yes he's had his wobbles, dropped a few changers but off the pitch, which really is his main duty as a non-coach based member of the club is run in a way that gives us muscle whenever we need to invest on the pitch. His job is to focus purely on the best interests of Tottenham Hotspur and when looking at the decisions he's made with the stadium, our commercial partnerships, the financial results, the manager shift this year and the fact that he's got £200m's worth of talent through the door to bolster the squad (Perm and/ or loan, ultimately they are still here right now) I don't see the hate for him. If offered Levy or any other chairman that isn't an oligarch or sultan and I'd still take Levy all day long. Each to their own and all of that but the complexities of running a football are clearly harder than what we normal folk probably believe it to be. No issues with him haggling with me ultimately it's his job to.
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And how many times has his need to haggle cost us a player? Or caused a transfer to miss preseason and his whole 1st year goes to waste?

No one is saying don’t haggle at all. Levy just has to take it to the extreme every time. And other clubs know this and some just don’t want to deal with him.
 
DM, RB, LB, ST are all massive needs. A good DM allows the fullbacks to push forward far further, and get into dangerous positions. Currently we aren't even playing with a proper LB; and Serge was good today, but we need another option at RB at the very least. We need a ST for obvious reasons, that doesn't even need to be discussed.
 
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