Transfers January 2020 transfer thread

[Reidy]

If offered one of Van Der Beek and Jack Grealish now, honestly I would sway towards Grealish but that's just me based on what I know about both players. Seem plenty of Jack, not a lot of Donny so I can't say for certain.

On the Van Der Beek thing. If we were willing to pay £25m for Grealish a team the time and opted agains the £15m for Van Der Beek and £20m it was for Maddison to go to Leicester. Who do we point the finger at regarding said targets?

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Don't know.

I honestly get the feeling Poch got pissy because the scouting team was bringing in players he wasn't interested in. Apparently Levy was desperate to get Grealish in, he then did an interview saying Poch turned Grealish down.

People will say that's a load of crap, but here's a thought, if we don't bring in a striker this month, will Jose or Levy get the blame?

 

[scott]

And what is the source of this ?

Taking a Eurostar to Brussels would take about the same time as a plane bearing in mind travel time to airport clearing customs etc, so no delay.

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Hopefully you're wrong on the travel aspect or else its more blame on levy. Sounds like its both of them wanting better financial terms.

 

[Park Lane Mark Twain]

Don't know.

I honestly get the feeling Poch got pissy because the scouting team was bringing in players he wasn't interested in. Apparently Levy was desperate to get Grealish in, he then did an interview saying Poch turned Grealish down.

People will say that's a load of crap, but here's a thought, if we don't bring in a striker this month, will Jose or Levy get the blame?

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Levy did an interview saying that Poch turned Grealish down? Got a link to that at all mate? Would be interested to read about that one.

As for the striker situation, Jose needs to realise that if we bring in a striker, it's less money to be spent elsewhere. We probably need a new RB, CB & DM next season and with the money being thrown about these days we can expect those 3 potential signings to cost north of £150m. With Lo Celso to pay off, Gedson one we may have to pay for eventually that's £200m or so we'll have to earmark. The question is does Jose want to dip into some of that to get a forward in and if so how much does he want to chip off of that vast number we might be looking at?

 

[Spursidol]

Apparently Wanyama & levy.
The deal was delayed initially because Wanyama first wanted to consult with his family in Kenya about moving to Belgium. Once he received his family’s blessing, the club wanted to fly him to Brugge to complete the deal, but Wanyama was nervous about flying across the Channel after what happened to Emiliano Sala, and opted to take the train instead.
But then Daniel Levy got involved, and that’s when things really went off the rails. The Tottenham chairman apparently tried to get Brugge to commit to paying some funds that Tottenham still owed to Vic, which Brugge balked at. Wanyama then tried to change the conditions of his personal terms, and Brugge backed away. They ended up signing Eder Balanta from Basel instead.

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Interesting article

I was following the Belgian press who had extensive coverage of the expected transfer at the time. The Belgian press had several interviews with the manager of Club Bruges (a former team mate of Wanyama) who at the end said that they had agreed a fee with Spurs of £13.5m and were only waiting on final agreement of wages of £65k pw from Wanyama but that he had wanted a little more time to give final agreement to his transfer (including a CL qualifying match which Bruges won to take them into CL group stages). And then they said that as Wanyama had not agreed before the agreed deadine they had to move on to their second target of Balanta a couple of days beforeend of TW.

So I'd really like to find the other Belgian press that this article claims as I was reading 2 or 3 of the best with very good connections with Club Bruges and their manager, and as I say, they said the only issue was Wanyama not signing off on the deal which Bruges thought had been agreed. Nothing more

 

[Tomo]

Don't know.

I honestly get the feeling Poch got pissy because the scouting team was bringing in players he wasn't interested in. Apparently Levy was desperate to get Grealish in, he then did an interview saying Poch turned Grealish down.

People will say that's a load of crap, but here's a thought, if we don't bring in a striker this month, will Jose or Levy get the blame?

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The media I read at the time said Poch wanted Grealish, we where close to a deal then the Villa takeover happened and they stopped it.

 

[Airfixx]

Don't know.

I honestly get the feeling Poch got pissy because the scouting team was bringing in players he wasn't interested in. Apparently Levy was desperate to get Grealish in, he then did an interview saying Poch turned Grealish down.

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Didn't want Tielemans either allegedly.

Apparently we did make a move for De Jong.... Makes you wonder how picky Poch was being.

People will say that's a load of crap, but here's a thought, if we don't bring in a striker this month, will Jose or Levy get the blame?

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Depends on the specific reason why we didn't get one.....

If Levy was willing to spend a fair fee on one and the manager doubles down on a player that doesn't want to come, who would you blame?

 

[bus-conductor]

Just mulling over our forward options.

Mourhino certainly like the traditional no 9 - think Drogba for example - and part of the way JM's no 9 plays is to draw opposition defenders to him allowing other players (Son, Dele, Moura et al in our case) more space to attack and score goals, so its not just the no 9 scoring by himself but his abilities to allow others to score which makes it work.

But so far Piatek is the only decent striker we are being linked with, and there aren't too many decent candidates out there. Plus of course as Poch said when talking of Morata (?) joining 'its difficult to get a decent striker to come when he's going to sit on the bench to watch Harry play' So whilst Piatek may be a Harry fan and prepared to share striking duties, there may not be too many alternatives to him. And no certainty of getting him.

I'd much prefer Piatek on a loan with option to buy - we can then evaluate whether he and Kane can play together (perhaps Kane playing a no 10 role) or not - but not sure if AC Milan are prepared to loan rather than sell him

But although its Mourhino's choice (based on his history) its not the only solution - think Liverpool with Firminho as their leading forward who at best is a no 10 rather than a 9 with the likes of Salah, Mane, Origo et al swarming around to score goals.

So I'd like to think we are in for Bruno Fernandes (but at £60m+ not sure he's actually worth it), Danni Olmo (but he seems set on AC Milan) or Jarod Bowen (Eze seems not to be moving until summer) - all of whom have their different style of playing but all of whom could add to our goal scoring midfielders - and if Eriksen leaves as is likely we are down to Son, Dele, Moura and Lo Celso, so need a reinforcement.

And bearing in mind our home grown quotas and with Eriksen the only likely overseas trained player rumoured to be leaving our best possible window would be Piatek and Bowen joining - but that really is dreamland stuff and odds are massively against both coming

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I’d say Drogba was more an Uber 9 than a traditional or pure 9 (maybe that’s what you meant?). Kane’s an Uber 9. Uber 9’s will drop and get involved in play, hold up and bring others in and press from the front.


Piatek more of a traditional or pure 9 and as such I don’t think he will be a good stand in or fit our/Mou’s 4231 model.

Someone I first mentioned in the summer who I think could fit the profile is Niang at Rennes. He’s no Drogba, or Adebayor but he’s got a good touch for a big fella, is robust, mobile his hold up play is pretty good and scores goals.

Another could be Embolo, again he’s never going to be Drogba or Kane, but he works hard and can play in other positions too, like wide forward, and will accept being part of the squad I think.

I’ve poo poo’d him previously, but someone like Rebic would probably make more sense than Piatek for the same reasons, he’s robust, works hard, can play in wide positions but can play as the CF.

 

[Airfixx]

Levy did an interview saying that Poch turned Grealish down? Got a link to that at all mate? Would be interested to read about that one.

As for the striker situation, Jose needs to realise that if we bring in a striker, it's less money to be spent elsewhere. We probably need a new RB, CB & DM next season and with the money being thrown about these days we can expect those 3 potential signings to cost north of £150m. With Lo Celso to pay off, Gedson one we may have to pay for eventually that's £200m or so we'll have to earmark. The question is does Jose want to dip into some of that to get a forward in and if so how much does he want to chip off of that vast number we might be looking at?

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Tbh, if we're talking about salvaging our season I'd rather a DM now.

 

[Park Lane Mark Twain]

Tbh, if we're talking about salvaging our season I'd rather a DM now.

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If we didn't have Parrott coming through I'd see the need for a forward being more pressing than it is. It's a pig not having someone to come in for Harry whilst he's out but I'm with you.

DM unit most pressing moving forward followed by the RB, CB and backup FWD issues we face. Got no problem getting a beta striker up top this window if it means we can use the funds moving forward in areas where we bleed weakness. My current money is on Camavinga to Rennes, I think he'd be wonderful alongside Ndombele and Gedson in midfield.

 

[Airfixx]

Interesting article

I was following the Belgian press who had extensive coverage of the expected transfer at the time. The Belgian press had several interviews with the manager of Club Bruges (a former team mate of Wanyama) who at the end said that they had agreed a fee with Spurs of £13.5m and were only waiting on final agreement of wages of £65k pw from Wanyama but that he had wanted a little more time to give final agreement to his transfer (including a CL qualifying match which Bruges won to take them into CL group stages). And then they said that as Wanyama had not agreed before the agreed deadine they had to move on to their second target of Balanta a couple of days beforeend of TW.

So I'd really like to find the other Belgian press that this article claims as I was reading 2 or 3 of the best with very good connections with Club Bruges and their manager, and as I say, they said the only issue was Wanyama not signing off on the deal which Bruges thought had been agreed. Nothing more

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That's the gist I'd got from the English media too.

 

[Spursidol]

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Hopefully you're wrong on the travel aspect or else its more blame on levy. Sounds like its both of them wanting better financial terms.

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Just to add to that though

Incidentally after the TW you may recall that Poch gave a very pointed interview in which he accused Wanyama of treating Spurs as a charity - but no further detail given.

I am guessing that Wanyama wanted a pot load of money paid to him (eg as he had not played much he would not have earned any/many match day appearances, but feltt he should have been paid more) and was told no, he hadn't earned them.

So if that was the reason Wanyama turned down the deal at Bruges he's a fool. He would have earned much more at Bruges than by staying at Spurs and not playing.

 

[Airfixx]

If we didn't have Parrott coming through I'd see the need for a forward being more pressing than it is. It's a pig not having someone to come in for Harry whilst he's out but I'm with you.

DM unit most pressing moving forward followed by the RB, CB and backup FWD issues we face. Got no problem getting a beta striker up top this window if it means we can use the funds moving forward in areas where we bleed weakness. My current money is on Camavinga to Rennes, I think he'd Ben wonderful alongside Ndombele and Gedson in midfield.

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I think we have goals in our ranks, but a new ST will still struggle if we can't sort our shit out in the centre.

 

[Spursidol]

I’d say Drogba was more an Uber 9 than a traditional or pure 9 (maybe that’s what you meant?). Kane’s an Uber 9. Uber 9’s will drop and get involved in play, hold up and bring others in and press from the front.


Piatek more of a traditional or pure 9 and as such I don’t think he will be a good stand in or fit our/Mou’s 4231 model.

Someone I first mentioned in the summer who I think could fit the profile is Niang at Rennes. He’s no Drogba, or Adebayor but he’s got a good touch for a big fella, is robust, mobile his hold up play is pretty good and scores goals.

Another could be Embolo, again he’s never going to be Drogba or Kane, but he works hard and can play in other positions too, like wide forward, and will accept being part of the squad I think.

I’ve poo poo’d him previously, but someone like Rebic would probably make more sense than Piatek for the same reasons, he’s robust, works hard, can play in wide positions but can play as the CF.

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Generally agree but haven't seen links from credible sources other strikers.

Would agree about Rebic, but think he is now at AC Milan as well and they want to sell Piatek as they don't see him playing with Ibra whereas Rebic can as a winger. So aren't likely to sell Rebic

I'd guess that Jarod Bowen would be the closest of the names I mentioned to Rebic though.

 

[Reidy]

Didn't want Tielemans either allegedly.

Apparently we did make a move for De Jong.... Makes you wonder how picky Poch was being.



Depends on the specific reason why we didn't get one.....

If Levy was willing to spend a fair fee on one and the manager doubles down on a player that doesn't want to come, who would you blame?

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The chairman should trust his manager to build the squad. A chairman should have fuck all to do with the playing side.

I think Poch wanted to go big but Levy was holding back. The CL final forced Levy's hand, expectations had been raised and cutting corners wasn't an option.

And yet Jack Clarke...

 

[Airfixx]

I fucking hate listening to Ray Houghton talking about Spurs so much.... Ill informed cunt.

 

[Tomo]

The chairman should trust his manager to build the squad. A chairman should have fuck all to do with the playing side.

I think Poch wanted to go big but Levy was holding back. The CL final forced Levy's hand, expectations had been raised and cutting corners wasn't an option.

And yet Jack Clarke...

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We need a director of football to co-ordinate scouting, team, manager and long term vision of the club football wise.

 

[Airfixx]

The chairman should trust his manager to build the squad. A chairman should have fuck all to do with the playing side.

I think Poch wanted to go big but Levy was holding back. The CL final forced Levy's hand, expectations had been raised and cutting corners wasn't an option.

And yet Jack Clarke...

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That didn't answer my question....

De Jong wasn't coming (he declined)... Then what? .....Buy no-one and turn to shit?

The fable "year without signings" ensued... Then we buy 2 x #8s the following summer.... A lesson learned too late perhaps?

(Jack Clarke disrupted nothing.... He was a cheap punt sent straight out on loan to a club with the same ethos as our manager.)

 

[Reidy]

The media I read at the time said Poch wanted Grealish, we where close to a deal then the Villa takeover happened and they stopped it.

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The interview I read said that Levy, getting flak for making no signings in Summer 2018, said that money for Grealish was available, but that Poch didn't want the transfer. He went on to say that Poch turned down other transfers.

So I put summer 2018 down to two people wanting very different things and the fans losing out.

 

[Airfixx]

The interview I read said that Levy, getting flak for making no signings in Summer 2018, said that money for Grealish was available, but that Poch didn't want the transfer. He went on to say that Poch turned down other transfers.

So I put summer 2018 down to two people wanting very different things and the fans losing out.

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So Levy made money available but Poch didnt spend it.

 

[Reidy]

That didn't answer my question....

De Jong wasn't coming (he declined)... Then what? .....Buy no-one and turn to shit?

The fable "year without signings" ensued... Then we buy 2 x #8s the following summer.... A lesson learned too late perhaps?

(Jack Clarke disrupted nothing.... He was a cheap punt sent straight out on loan to a club with the same ethos as our manager.)

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I don't think it was as simple as if I don't get that one player we get no one.

I think 2018 was the start of the end for Poch and Levy. Levy wanted to bring in players cutting corners, Poch had his mind made up who he wanted. Both were in the wrong and we the fans suffered for the ego clash.

By the time the season ended, the failure to replace Dembele exposed a frightening soft underbelly to our squad.