Man City ban overturned.

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Absolute shithouse. Absolutely loath the geezer!

Fuck each and every part of that club....

Who knows how much bigger (and more successful) we'd have been were it not for these cheating scumbags....?

Probably about 5 years in the CL for starters which at circa 100m a season would mean the bulk of our stadium would already be paid off by now.
 
Absolute shithouse. Absolutely loath the geezer!

Fuck each and every part of that club....

Who knows how much bigger (and more successful) we'd have been were it not for these cheating scumbags....?

Probably about 5 years in the CL for starters which at circa 100m a season would mean the bulk of our stadium would already be paid off by now.
He really is showing himself to be a despicable person isn't he?
 
He really is showing himself to be a despicable person isn't he?

Chats all his yellow ribbon jive then gets paid a fortune to be the figurehead for the corrupt sportswashing operations of a bloodstained oppressive regime.
 
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1st Champions League
2nd Champions League
3rd Champions League
4th Champions League
5th Europa League

League Cup winners - Europa League - so as it was Man City it will go back to league.

So

6th Europa League

FA Cup winners - Europa League - At present its Chelsea, Man U, Man City and Woolwich still in FA Cup.

Anyone but Woolwich and the Europa league place goes to 7th.

Think that's it.

So as long as Woolwich don't win FA Cup, then Europa league place in 7th position up for grabs.

If ManU or Wolves win EL, then one additional place in EL? So in theory 8th could do it?
 
People are talking as if UEFA backed down. They didn’t. It was the Court of Arbitration for Sport who ruled in City’s favour. UEFA wanted the ban, they lost.

Bribes the judges in CAS and had them split the bribes with key UEFA individuals. Or bribed UEFA to prepare a shit case.

These guys are máster money launderers. Guarantee they figured out a way to make it very difficult if not impossible to detect.
 
In what world would a club like Mancity have ever achieved anything again in its history with Manutd right next door? Never. That doesnt mean it shouldnt have a chance to acheive anything. I think what really should happen is that all the season ticket holders should have a say if they want the new owner, if they dont, then an owner like Mancity's doesnt get to take over. But if they did then the fans are accepting the risk and the rewards.

Clubs like United, Liverpool etc, more fans = more money = more spending power = more success = more fans = more money...and so on. They would want FFP so that clubs with fewer fans will always remain below them = less success = less fans = less money = less success and so on.

You many not want a competition where a club with higher spending power equates to winning more. But that has always been the case for a long time now before Mancity got richer.

Why not simply raise cash equity from supporters? Give them ownership by buying shares of the club. Maybe even aim to have clubs majority owned by supporters? Gives them voting rights like any other shareholder.

Separate and apart from season ticket holders
 
Why not simply raise cash equity from supporters? Give them ownership by buying shares of the club. Maybe even aim to have clubs majority owned by supporters? Gives them voting rights like any other shareholder.

Separate and apart from season ticket holders

Because that's crazier, that money feeds in to player money, wages or transfer and let's say there is a major event, like, say covid, where people can't afford to support it any more, the club is in deeper trouble because it's become reliant on the funding.

This is something lower league clubs do but they do it on the basis of survival - how many fans would you need to fund a £50m transfer with the player on £200k per week??

So £10 million pounds per contract year, let's say a 4 year contract, so £50m fee and £40m over 4 years totalling £90m, that's £22.5m per season - who would be able to pay that sort of money? How many fans paying how much? When the player is sold, where does the money go? When the player renews their contract, who pays?
 
Because that's crazier, that money feeds in to player money, wages or transfer and let's say there is a major event, like, say covid, where people can't afford to support it any more, the club is in deeper trouble because it's become reliant on the funding.

This is something lower league clubs do but they do it on the basis of survival - how many fans would you need to fund a £50m transfer with the player on £200k per week??

So £10 million pounds per contract year, let's say a 4 year contract, so £50m fee and £40m over 4 years totalling £90m, that's £22.5m per season - who would be able to pay that sort of money? How many fans paying how much? When the player is sold, where does the money go? When the player renews their contract, who pays?

I don’t mean as a way to fund the club on an ongoing basis. I mean as a way to let the fans really participate in the management of the club. Offer shares one time to supporters. This would likely stop takeovers like the one that happened to ManCity.
 
I don’t mean as a way to fund the club on an ongoing basis. I mean as a way to let the fans really participate in the management of the club. Offer shares one time to supporters. This would likely stop takeovers like the one that happened to ManCity.

That's an experiment that's been played out before, it doesn't end well. Businesses don't make good democracies, even in the perfect world, meet 3 other spurs fans, they all want the best for the club but would run it in totally different ways.

EDIT - I should agree as well that German clubs are 50% fan owned with a fan representative on the board, this can be made to work without fans investing more of their hard earned money.
 
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The rules do have problems FFP should have been stricter in the first place.

The problem is that at some point big spending has to stop because a club can't sustain the costs naturally, this is why people were so annoyed about Real Madrid doing deals with the government to wash debt away.

What is wrong is someone coming in to a club and putting in hundreds of millions of pounds that a club could never raise as a business or could continue to afford. Because if an owner decides to leave the project, that club faces bankruptcy in the absence of a white Knight.

Now this is not common at the top tier but if you know your local non league or lower league clubs you can find several examples of chairmen putting in good money then withdrawing 5 years later, 2 years afterwards the club has gone bankrupt. FFP is not just about the top of the game, it's trying to prepare football clubs for the real world.

Man City and Chelsea have played the system and won, it's not right and though the law might be an ass, the bigger message is that if you do what you want and get questions afterwards, just take it to Cas with a good lawyer. Meanwhile everyone spends more than they should to keep up with the chasing pack. Sometimes nearly the entire club revenue, which is where things get problematic, what's more problematic? When clubs disguise sponsorship to lower the ratio, so the data is questionable and the club is not as secure as it seems.

This is not just about Spurs, it's the wellbeing of every club in the league, in most cases spending more on players and wages than they can justify. I am not saying that Levy has an excuse not to spend, more that the trend of overspending could create a league where a lot of clubs end up in dire straits. Also I don't want a competition which is prefaced on which club had the best spending power, that makes the whole exercise fairly pointless.


The system was rigged against new investment though, by a clique of old money uber clubs who wanted to make sure they could maintain their domination.

The nuts and bolts of FFP, which insure clubs are run properly, that their books are balanced properly, debt is manageable, that they pay bills/staff/transfers properly etc, that their accounts are inspected, that wages/revenue ratios are maintained etc etc were all good.

But there should be absolutely nothing to stop new money coming into clubs that enables them to challenge the status quo. Otherwise football will just be an elite club in which only a handful of teams in Europe effectively carve up all the money between them, with their hegemony never threatened.

As long as that money is put into the clubs in the right way, gifted, related sponsorship, properly structured loans. Look at the investment in facilities they've made at City, how much that investment has created jobs and generated other revenue for related businesses.

Why shouldn't new clubs, areas, towns be entitled to have the hope of something more than forever playing a minor supporting role in the industry?
 
But there should be absolutely nothing to stop new money coming into clubs that enables them to challenge the status quo. Otherwise football will just be an elite club in which only a handful of teams in Europe effectively carve up all the money between them, with their hegemony never threatened.

As long as that money is put into the clubs in the right way, gifted, related sponsorship, properly structured loans. Look at the investment in facilities they've made at City, how much that investment has created jobs and generated other revenue for related businesses.

Why shouldn't new clubs, areas, towns be entitled to have the hope of something more than forever playing a minor supporting role in the industry?

There is allowance in FFP for 'one off' investment and so the rule does not prevent investment, just not to long term levels.

'The Right Way' is a very difficult thing to measure, also it's a bit thinly veiled, no one really cares about job creation, it's sort of decoration and justiying one's existence, it is marketing essentially.

The point about towns being entitled to more is good but then look at Blackburn, the ground is lovely but eventually the club rescinds back to it's natural level, it's not bad but it does show eventually teams will rebalance to where they should be.
 
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