Jan Vertonghen

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Very worrying and concerning for Jan and his long term health. This is definitely something that sport and not just football needs to start dealing with better. This quick check they do on the field when a player's adrenaline is telling them to play on isn't good enough.

Very honest from Jan on his own form afterwards, but would expect nothing less from him. A credit to himself and we were fortunate to have for him as long as we did.
 
That's really sad to hear but good on him for speaking up. There was obviously something not right with him last season because his performances were so strange.

I can't help but feel he is taking a big risk to his future health by continuing his career, however. A head injury that takes 9 months to clear up sounds like something that should have pushed him towards retirement. I pray that he doesn't end up with early onset dementia or any of the other illnesses associated with this type of injury.
 
I love Jan, but he is daft to carry on playing. It explains the rapid deterioration of his game, and our medical staff should have spotted the issue, or at least raised it. I hope this doesn't have repercussions on his future health. 💜
 
I love Jan, but he is daft to carry on playing. It explains the rapid deterioration of his game, and our medical staff should have spotted the issue, or at least raised it. I hope this doesn't have repercussions on his future health. 💜
I worry about Kane for the same reason. He's constantly up for headers on every set piece, and defenders absolutely show no restraint against him.

The other week (Against Arse I think) his forehead was blood red from heading the ball so much.
 
The worst thing here is The Clubs official statement following that incident:

“Following a thorough review over the past 48 hours by our medical staff, as well as by an independent neurologist with a special interest in sports-related concussion, it has been concluded that Jan Vertonghen did not suffer a concussion".
If Jan lied about his symptoms then its not the Club's fault at all.
 
If Jan lied about his symptoms then its not the Club's fault at all.
He's just come out and said his form was so poor as a direct result of the incident. Were he continued to suffer dizzy spells. Yet the club said he wasn't concussed. 100% it's the Clubs fault, it's a clear wrong diagnosis.

The Club/Medical team have to protect their players, especially from a concussion which may interfere with his judgement and decision making, as it might in this exact scenario. It shouldn't be left to the player to decide how he's feeling if he's suffering dizzyness following a head injury.

Also what he's saying is that clearly there was also a lot of pressure on him as he was heading into the final few months of his contract. I've not seen how he's playing in Portugal but he's getting selected so I can assume he's playing well. What if we said to him, you're not playing at all for the rest of the season, don't worry about your contract, we will stick 6 months onto the end now, when your fit, see how you play and if you've still got it there's a chance we will offer you a new deal.

No pressure to play/train and perform risking further injury or playing shit that means you lose a chance to play somewhere else or stay at Spurs.

This is 100% on The Club.
 
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Fucking love you.... Come back home soon.
 
He's just come out and said his form was so poor as a direct result of the incident. Were he continued to suffer dizzy spells. Yet the club said he wasn't concussed. 100% it's the Clubs fault, it's a clear wrong diagnosis.

The Club/Medical team have to protect their players, especially from a concussion which may interfere with his judgement and decision making, as it might in this exact scenario. It shouldn't be left to the player to decide how he's feeling if he's suffering dizzyness following a head injury.

Also what he's saying is that clearly there was also a lot of pressure on him as he was heading into the final few months of his contract. I've not seen how he's playing in Portugal but he's getting selected so I can assume he's playing well. What if we said to him, you're not playing at all for the rest of the season, don't worry about your contract, we will stick 6 months onto the end now, when your fit, see how you play and if you've still got it there's a chance we will offer you a new deal.

No pressure to play/train and perform risking further injury or playing shit that means you lose a chance to play somewhere else or stay at Spurs.

This is 100% on The Club.

Again.... Jan said he kept it from everyone......
 
Again.... Jan said he kept it from everyone......
It's STILL the responsibility of the Club/Doctors. You've also got to question the ability of those that carried out the tests on him, clearly they weren't good enough. If you felt unwell, saw a doctor, who then examined you and missed that you had cancer of the brain, but sent you away with some Nurofen for the headaches who's to blame?

Also, it sounded to me like Jan was under quite a bit of stress. His contract was coming to an end, so he felt pressured enough not to mention anything, that too in itself is an environment that's not healthy for a player with a probable concussion to be in. This is also on us, he should have not felt that he had to hide his symptoms. The Club should have created an environment around him that he should be comfortable to report his symptoms, that this was the right thing for him to do, that it was important for his health and long term future health. He clearly didn't feel he could do this.
 
It's STILL the responsibility of the Club/Doctors. You've also got to question the ability of those that carried out the tests on him, clearly they weren't good enough. If you felt unwell, saw a doctor, who then examined you and missed that you had cancer of the brain, but sent you away with some Nurofen for the headaches who's to blame?

That's a silly comparison.... The diagnoses of some ailments require more 'patient participation' than others.

Tests can't prove you had a headache
Tests can't prove you felt dizzy....

Reporting symptoms comes first.... Then you can investigate the cause and prescribe treatment accordingly.

Also, it sounded to me like Jan was under quite a bit of stress. His contract was coming to an end, so he felt pressured enough not to mention anything, that too in itself is an environment that's not healthy for a player with a probable concussion to be in. This is also on us, he should have not felt that he had to hide his symptoms.

That's not specific to us; that's just the life of a footballer running out of contract.... Bad decisions are made in such scenario's.

The Club should have created an environment around him that he should be comfortable to report his symptoms, that this was the right thing for him to do, that it was important for his health and long term future health. He clearly didn't feel he could do this.

If they're none the wiser to his longer terms symptoms... Why would they think to go down that path?

Look I'm not saying it's out of the question that the med team didn't fall short in some capacity, but that would be purely speculation and you're going all in on a theory you have no evidence of.
 
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That's a silly comparison.... Some ailments require more 'patient participation' than others.



That's not specific to us; that's just the life of a footballer running out of contract.... Bad decisions are made in such scenario's.



If they're none the wiser to his longer terms symptoms... Why would they think to go down that path?

Look I'm not saying it's out of the question that the med team didn't fall short in some capacity, but that would be purely speculation and you're going all in on a theory you have no evidence of.
When someone takes a bang to the head I would assume they are monitored closely for a number of weeks (and should be months given what is known about concussion to date). If they aren't monitored, why the fuck aren't they? If they are, why the fuck did they not see anything wrong with him?

The Club was concerned enough for him to be seen by an independent neurologist, who Jan managed to fool by keeping his symptoms from him!!!
 
When someone takes a bang to the head I would assume they are monitored closely for a number of weeks (and should be months given what is known about concussion to date). If they aren't monitored, why the fuck aren't they? If they are, why the fuck did they not see anything wrong with him?

Maybe you can explain how such symptoms ought to be visible and by what means..... I'm not gonna pretend to have specialist knowledge at my disposal.

How are pain and dizziness diagnosed?

The Club was concerned enough for him to be seen by an independent neurologist, who Jan managed to fool by keeping his symptoms from him!!!

Perhaps that's standard proceedure? Again, I won't pretend to know, but surely that is a diligent act by the club in itself?

Ultimately though, you pointing that out underlines that the club docs were far from exclusively culpable..... i.e. If you go to hospital and a major ilness got missed; who would you blame the triage nurse or the specialist doctor?
 
Maybe you can explain how such symptoms ought to be visible and by what means..... I'm not gonna pretend to have specialist knowledge at my disposal.

How are pain and dizziness diagnosed?



Perhaps that's standard proceedure? Again, I won't pretend to know, but surely that is a diligent act by the club in itself?

Ultimately though, you pointing that out underlines that the club docs were far from exclusively culpable..... i.e. If you go to hospital and a major ilness got missed; who would you blame the triage nurse or the specialist doctor?
I'm not a neurologist so I can't explain a thing about what it is they do but one would have thought that having been examined by one following a knock to the head that meant he wasn't able to stand on his feet without the help of those around him, that said neurologist should have discovered that a patient referred to them was suffering from symptoms of concussion.

My main criticism with the Club is largely around the environment that the player is placed in. He should feel supported and comfortable in reporting a potentially serious health issue. He should also be made to understand that concussion is serious and must report symtoms. His performance was miles off following the knock, why did no one at the Club see this as an issue that might be connected to the knock?

Do you think that the Club feel comfortable following Jan's interview right now? Would the medical team, the neurologist be shrugging their shoulders content with what they did while Jan was showing the signs of concussion for 9 months?
 
I'm not a neurologist so I can't explain a thing about what it is they do but one would have thought that having been examined by one following a knock to the head that meant he wasn't able to stand on his feet without the help of those around him,

Directly after the incident, of course... They then sent him to said neurologist; so it's not been ignored, has it?

Concussion protocols were also different back then (I'm not citing this as a catagoric excuse btw.)

that said neurologist should have discovered that a patient referred to them was suffering from symptoms of concussion.

At which point, logically, culpability shifts towards the neurologist in terms of diagnosis.

My main criticism with the Club is largely around the environment that the player is placed in. He should feel supported and comfortable in reporting a potentially serious health issue. He should also be made to understand that concussion is serious and must report symtoms. His performance was miles off following the knock, why did no one at the Club see this as an issue that might be connected to the knock?

Do you think that the Club feel comfortable following Jan's interview right now? Would the medical team, the neurologist be shrugging their shoulders content with what they did while Jan was showing the signs of concussion for 9 months?

Correction: Hiding the signs of concussion for 9 months.

I'd like to think the club would be feeling concern right now (not to mention seeking to improve their handling of these things regardless), but bearing in mind Jan's expressed outlook; wagging the finger as you are seems out of synch with the little that we (as in you and I) actually know.
 
Directly after the incident, of course... They then sent him to said neurologist; so it's not been ignored, has it?

Concussion protocols were also different back then (I'm not citing this as a catagoric excuse btw.)



At which point, logically, culpability shifts towards the neurologist in terms of diagnosis.



Correction: Hiding the signs of concussion for 9 months.

I'd like to think the club would be feeling concern right now (not to mention seeking to improve their handling of these things regardless), but bearing in mind Jan's expressed outlook; wagging the finger as you are seems out of synch with the little that we (as in you and I) actually know.
I am aware that there are many things not known about concussion, BUT there are also many things that are known and how serious it actually is, like how long it can take to recover and that some people don't have any symptoms until weeks after the knock. These facts alone should mean that a) a player should be monitored for a significant period following the incident b) dialogue with the player must also be constant for a significant period of time, ensuring his environment is comfortable for him to communicate how he's feeling.

They failed to spot his symptoms for NINE months! They failed to attribute his drop in form following the incident might be a symptom!

Culpability isn't passed over following one visit, it's a potential concussion, it may weeks for symptoms to show, so it should be as above constant monitoring of the player following a knock to the head, this means it's our staff (The Club) that are responsible for him every day.

All I have to go on is a) what I saw of the incident b) the clubs' response and their public statement c) Jan's interview. If a player comes out and says they had symptoms of a concussion for 9 months following a knock to the head and the Club were totally oblivious to it, then unequivocally I'd say we fucked up.
 
I am aware that there are many things not known about concussion, BUT there are also many things that are known and how serious it actually is, like how long it can take to recover and that some people don't have any symptoms until weeks after the knock. These facts alone should mean that a) a player should be monitored for a significant period following the incident b) dialogue with the player must also be constant for a significant period of time, ensuring his environment is comfortable for him to communicate how he's feeling.

They failed to spot his symptoms for NINE months! They failed to attribute his drop in form following the incident might be a symptom!

Culpability isn't passed over following one visit, it's a potential concussion, it may weeks for symptoms to show, so it should be as above constant monitoring of the player following a knock to the head, this means it's our staff (The Club) that are responsible for him every day.

All I have to go on is a) what I saw of the incident b) the clubs' response and their public statement c) Jan's interview. If a player comes out and says they had symptoms of a concussion for 9 months following a knock to the head and the Club were totally oblivious to it, then unequivocally I'd say we fucked up.

Personally I'd want a lot more 'meat on the bones' of this scenario; especially more of an actual understanding of the processes, paths of diagnosis etc. than we currently have before I felt cock-shure in pointing the finger so intently.... Evidently, you don't see such a necessity.

We won't be agreeing on the matter any time soon.
 
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