Transfers Summer 2021 - Transfer Thread

[RESPECT THE COCK]

I don't like the sounds of someone who pouts because he thinks he should have moved on to a "bigger" club, especially when the club he is at isn't exactly Burnley.

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I know. Lyon have a great shot at winning the league. I think it's been 10 years since they last won it. This fella has come through their academy, but looks to me like he can't be arsed. All the ability in the world. For shame.

 

[Spursidol]

We dont have to have the full 25 man squad, nor maximize the HG quota. As an extreme example, we could have a squad of just 17 foreign players and a bunch of u21.

One justification of selling HG without replacement is to raise funds e.g. selling Alli. There is really no point in keeping a player of value if he will not be getting regular minutes.

The real hard cap is on foreign players of which we need to sell to bring in replacements

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In practice this is just a nonsense example.

We might have Skipp and Sessegnon as our u21's plus 17 overseas players plus another 4 HG players (ie a squad of 23_), but that's about as lean as is practical to play the number of games we do.

If we have other less experienced u21's we'd have them in addition to the 23 players, not as part of them

 

[Beech]

Szobaszlai has only recently joined RB so no chance of signing him. At the moment he wouldn't be cut out for the EPL either and wouldn't be any improvement on Lamela. He has talent though.

I used to live in Hungary and it used to make me laugh that natives there almost saw Zoltan Gera as some sort of God! He wasn't a bad player for Fulham and West Brom by any means, but he wasn't some anyone else would really rant and rave about.

 

[Ciro]

Interesting info on Milenkovic. I admit all I've seen of him are YouTube compilations, and they always make players look good.

I've had a look at Fiorentina's defensive record, and last season they were joint 5th in terms of least goals conceded, but this season they are 14th. Perhaps more reflective of the performance of club and ex-manager, not sure how much it says about Milenkovic.

Akanji and Ginter are 2 players whose contract also runs out in 2022; but Dortmund and M'glabach both have horrific defensive records this season.

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Considering how desperate we are to defend better against set pieces and crosses, I´d say Akanji is not the man we´re looking for. Ginter is a bit older, isn´t he? I think Milenkovic/Botman are probably better options to spend some money on.

But, as I said before, I think we need two new CB´s. I wouldn´t mind if one of them is older/cheaper.

COYS

 

[To Dare Is To Do.]

I don't have a clear guy right now, and better/realistic target likely causes a back an forth argument, but at at 27 I would prefer we look at younger guys than him.

I like Buendia but haven't seen much of him this year, Matheus Periera from English leagues.

I remember a lot of talk about Aouar last summer not sure if he is still good. Was impressed by Kessie and Bennacer at Milan.

Barella would be awesome, but I doubt he is available.

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He might be too young and not available but looking at the RB organization the Hungarian kid, I will butcher his name, Szoboscalai, is someone I would like to see us add.

I think we need to be looking at getting guys to develop into Sabitzer so that they are here from 22-27 rather than buy them at peak price and close to the end of their peak than the start.

Also since we always seem to be talking about RW who can play striker, a guy that might fit, but is more of a striker that can play RW is Patrik Schick. Just thought him looking at International scores. Not necessary to this discussion but an interesting player if we could get him and I think he could fill the role we have talked about before.

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Buendia has done well, but in the Championship. He was okay in his one season in the PL but nothing special.
Some of the other European names you mention will be outside our price range. We have a young midfielder in Skipp who is developing, so I think it makes sense to go for someone a bit more experienced.

As for Schick, I'm not sure his goalscoring record is good enough for a guy who plays upfront for Bayer Leverkusen. Weghorst for example has scored more than double his number of goals in recent seasons (although he's probably too old to buy).

 

[Igula]

My issue with Sabitzer is that at 27 we are likely paying for him at his peak and getting him and the downside of his career. I already don't see him as a better player than GLC and not ideal as a RW, so if he is starting it is likely because someone is injured or we are playing someone out of position.

I am not sure that Sabitzer is in our price range if those other guys are out of it.

I agree Schick is not a pure scorer, but his other skills more than make up for that in my view. With Kane and Son, I am not sure we need a pure finisher as much as someone who can help create chances that don't require a deadly finisher like Kane or Son. And I know todd1882 is on the floor the moment he reads me saying this.

 

[todd1882]

My issue with Sabitzer is that at 27 we are likely paying for him at his peak and getting him and the downside of his career. I already don't see him as a better player than GLC and not ideal as a RW, so if he is starting it is likely because someone is injured or we are playing someone out of position.

I am not sure that Sabitzer is in our price range if those other guys are out of it.

I agree Schick is not a pure scorer, but his other skills more than make up for that in my view. With Kane and Son, I am not sure we need a pure finisher as much as someone who can help create chances that don't require a deadly finisher like Kane or Son. And I know todd1882 is on the floor the moment he reads me saying this.

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Funny because I was just on Wiki reading about caribou and moose (true story related to invasive species convo in AmPol thread which is wierd because that thread is usually about pizza) and here you are tagging me.

I like Schick. I also like Alario and a few others round those parts. I like them both for the reasons you mention though Alario has moved to a more pure #9. But they can both put the ball in when it is there to be put in.

Good to see you moving to the darkside.

edit: Mixed doubles!

 

[To Dare Is To Do.]

My issue with Sabitzer is that at 27 we are likely paying for him at his peak and getting him and the downside of his career. I already don't see him as a better player than GLC and not ideal as a RW, so if he is starting it is likely because someone is injured or we are playing someone out of position.

I am not sure that Sabitzer is in our price range if those other guys are out of it.

I agree Schick is not a pure scorer, but his other skills more than make up for that in my view. With Kane and Son, I am not sure we need a pure finisher as much as someone who can help create chances that don't require a deadly finisher like Kane or Son. And I know todd1882 is on the floor the moment he reads me saying this.

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Both Ndombele and Lo Celso are creative players with a great range of passing.

I think we need someone who can play slightly deeper alongside Hojbjerg who can be trusted defensively but also has the technical and passing ability to help us keep possession.
Ndombele doesn't work hard enough at times, and GLC is injury prone. Hence I think having Sabitzer alongside Hojbjerg, with Ndombele at CAM makes sense.

With Bale leaving, GLC as first choice RW is an interesting proposition.
One thing I've noticed about Man City is Pep's tendency to play a creative central midfielder as one of his wingers. For example, Bernardo Silva and Foden would be midfielders in the vast majority of teams, but play on the wing for City. To compensate for this, they use Cancelo as a quasi-traditional winger.

We could use GLC in the same way, except Aurier isn't close to Cancelo in terms of attacking threat.

 

[Ciro]

I´d love us to sign this RB: Emerson Royal.

 

[harry7]

For those questioning a 25m value of Winks & Dier. Here's some recent transfers of British Players - a number of whom I don't even recognise!

So, how does Dier compare to Mings, Godfrey and Adam Webster?

Walker Peters - 12m
Karlan Grant - 15m
Diangana - 14m
Delph - 9m
Ola Aina (yes him) - 9m
Ryan Sess - 25m
Jack Clarke - 10m
Iwobi - 28m
Maguire - 80m
Wan Bissake - 50m
Dan James - 20m
Lookman - 18m
Lloyd Kelly (yes him) - 15m
Mings - 20m
Ings - 20m
Che Adams - 15m
Adam Webster (yes him) - 20m
Oliver McBurnine (yes him) - 18m
Matt Target - 14m
Oli Watkins - 30m
Matty Cash - 15m
Chilwell - 45m
Eze - 15m
Godfrey - 25m
Smalling - 14m
Calum Wilson - 20m
Jamal Lewis - 15m

 

[Igula]

Dier isn't British though, at least when it comes to HG purposes, so he would not have the same value as them.

Godfrey is younger and better and he only got 25m so that would be the closest most recent move that I see.

 

[El Magnifico]

He is much, much better than Sanchez right now, that isn't even a question or debate. He is by far the better CB.

Sanchez can cover the space but does nothing once he has covered it, I would rather someone who is smart enough to not put himself in a bad spot more often than not and can recover on the rare times that he does.

There is no adjustment needed when Toby plays like there is when Sanchez plays because the other CB doesn't have to do his job and Toby's like they do for Sanchez.

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It is only in your dreams that someone that can't get on the pitch is much more better than someone that has been consistently available.

There is an adjustment to be made when Toby is on the pitch cos he lacks the required pace and thus he needs to back off attackers so as not get turned and into a foot race towards goal. That means we need to play deeper and/or need some one with pace to cover for him.

But of course reality and facts are not things you like to accept. Left to you, even if Toby is so old that he is in a wheelchair, you would still claim he is our best CB and there is no adjustment needed to push his wheelchair across the pitch.

 

[El Magnifico]

Both Ndombele and Lo Celso are creative players with a great range of passing.

I think we need someone who can play slightly deeper alongside Hojbjerg who can be trusted defensively but also has the technical and passing ability to help us keep possession.
Ndombele doesn't work hard enough at times, and GLC is injury prone. Hence I think having Sabitzer alongside Hojbjerg, with Ndombele at CAM makes sense.

With Bale leaving, GLC as first choice RW is an interesting proposition.
One thing I've noticed about Man City is Pep's tendency to play a creative central midfielder as one of his wingers. For example, Bernardo Silva and Foden would be midfielders in the vast majority of teams, but play on the wing for City. To compensate for this, they use Cancelo as a quasi-traditional winger.

We could use GLC in the same way, except Aurier isn't close to Cancelo in terms of attacking threat.

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Neither Ndombele nor GLC is a great passers and both lack the range that Sabitzer has.

 

[Igula]

It is only in your dreams that someone that can't get on the pitch is much more better than someone that has been consistently available.

There is an adjustment to be made when Toby is on the pitch cos he lacks the required pace and thus he needs to back off attackers so as not get turned and into a foot race towards goal. That means we need to play deeper and/or need some one with pace to cover for him.

But of course reality and facts are not things you like to accept. Left to you, even if Toby is so old that he is in a wheelchair, you would still claim he is our best CB and there is no adjustment needed to push his wheelchair across the pitch.

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Can’t get on the field???

He’s played more in the PL than Sanchez.

There are no adjustments to be made because he isn’t any slower than guys like Dier and Rodon and a hell of a lot smarter than them.

Look we all know you want to try and run Toby down because he doesn’t fit with your BS narrative than Jose doesn’t have enough talent but all these lies do is show just how much of a Jose fanboi you are and how little you care about Spurs.

 

[Spaniel]

I’d love ward prowse. He’s a dead ball machine. Having him would guarantee around 5 goals a season just from free kicks.

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Takes good corners too.

 

[ArcspacE]

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Very good idea if true

 

[El Magnifico]

Can’t get on the field???

He’s played more in the PL than Sanchez.

There are no adjustments to be made because he isn’t any slower than guys like Dier and Rodon and a hell of a lot smarter than them.

Look we all know you want to try and run Toby down because he doesn’t fit with your BS narrative than Jose doesn’t have enough talent but all these lies do is show just how much of a Jose fanboi you are and how little you care about Spurs.

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Always quick to drag Mourinho into every discussion to try and hide behind. But this has nothing to do with Mourinho but with your blind obsession with a declining 32yr old CB.

Toby was great in his prime, but he is now past it and in decline (precipitated by his hamstring injury). He will only decline further with time and we need to move on from him. That you think a 34yr old Toby would be better than a 26yr old Sanchez is clear evidence of your delusional view. You might as well ask us to bring back a 34yr old Jan as well.

Sanchez has played in more games and has been available for more games than Toby. In fact, cant remember Sanchez being out injured since Mourinho took over. Toby on the other hand was out injured and since coming back as had his minutes managed. This will only get worse as he gets older.

Toby is already one of the oldest CBs in the PL, but you want us to keep him at the expense of a younger more athletic option. Thinking like yours, clinging to the past, will simply turn us into a care home for old men that nobody else wants.

 

[Brian Fantana]

We should be looking at this guy.

 

[Shotgunofmichalebrow]

How is Ward-Prowse crap? Even taking out his set pieces, which he's arguably the best in the league at currently, at worst he's a tidy player. I'd take him over Winks and Sissoko all day, every day.

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I'd have Ryland over Winks and Sissoko but that is not a reason to buy Ward-Prowse. The list of players we could buy better than Ward-Prowse is endless. Have you watched him for a full 90 mins? I'm standing by crap he is average in the extreme. Happily we will not buy him

 

[VonnegutBusy]

Can’t get on the field???

He’s played more in the PL than Sanchez.

There are no adjustments to be made because he isn’t any slower than guys like Dier and Rodon and a hell of a lot smarter than them.

Look we all know you want to try and run Toby down because he doesn’t fit with your BS narrative than Jose doesn’t have enough talent but all these lies do is show just how much of a Jose fanboi you are and how little you care about Spurs.

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Toby is absolutely slower than both those mentioned. Especially Rodon, one of whose attributes is his pace. Once again you are talking nonsense.