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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane

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I still don't think he is the player he was from 2015 to 2018. I just saw his 100 club goals thing on Sky and look back at his movement and finishing then, his finishing was much more varied and whilst never quick he moved much easier. I know his stats from last season were superb but still don't think he is as good. He got that injury at the start of 2019 and imo hasn't been as sharp since. Still the best striker in the league, still got another 2 or 3 years at the very top but i maintain its the right time to sell if the price is right and have thought that even before this latest saga.
 
This whole 'Kane buying out his contract' situation doesn't sound like something he will have resolved in a couple of weeks..
More like months being dragged out deliberately through courts.

I understand the City players that featured for England at the Euros are still on holiday too.
Sounds to me like Harry got the return date memo from Pep when we didn't have a manager.
 
iz futbal said:
Sure he doesnt have professionalism, who cares. Its not hurting us. We are going to sell him anyway. Whats hurting us is that we havent bought another Striker.
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No. Our biggest problem is clearly Kane’s lack of professionalism. Not the mediocre team we have. If Kane turns up for training before being sold, the title is surely ours.
 
MemphisWill said:
What a fucking wank thing to say. Full boat on Harry's contract is around £31M.

Imagine saying you'd like to see your club lose one of their greatest goal scorers in history for the Lamela fee, just to rub one in the chairman's face?!

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If this situation were to come to pass then it would be fair to say the Chairman had the opportunity to negotiate in good faith previously, right? It would, or at least should, be reasonable to assume that our higher ups were knowledgeable to the webster thingy, right? And beyond that, they should be knowledgeable of the fact that contracts are there to protect value to clubs and not to bind players/restrict movement. Then you, Will-man of the people, shouldn't be upset that a player avails himself of all his legal options. Would you prefer we go Qatar on his ass?

And I'd have been happy if we took a reasonable fee earlier and properly redid the squad. I'm more concerned with being at the end of a window and the fact we didn't get a player in last year. Plus, I don't rate strikers for scoring goals.
 
todd1882 said:
If this situation were to come to pass then it would be fair to say the Chairman had the opportunity to negotiate in good faith previously, right? It would, or at least should, be reasonable to assume that our higher ups were knowledgeable to the webster thingy, right? And beyond that, they should be knowledgeable of the fact that contracts are there to protect value to clubs and not to bind players/restrict movement. Then you, Will-man of the people, shouldn't be upset that a player avails himself of all his legal options. Would you prefer we go Qatar on his ass?

And I'd have been happy if we took a reasonable fee earlier and properly redid the squad. I'm more concerned with being at the end of a window and the fact we didn't get a player in last year. Plus, I don't rate strikers for scoring goals.
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You have no indication that Levy has not negotiated in good faith and is unwilling to accept a reasonable offer.

The only firm rumour is that City offered £100M and were turned down. City have just paid £100M for Jack Grealish. £100M is clearly, then, not the value of the top striker in the PL - period. Levy has every right to tell City to pay up or fuck off.
 
Nutter-Naylor said:
This. Never saw a City shirt or met a City fan before the human rights abusers bought them. Now it is 'im a lifelong City fan me, always have been'. Some of us are old enough to remember when Paul Dickov and Shaun Goater were their star players.
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Frannie Lee, Summerbee & Bell were a good combination back in the 60's when Shitty were a proper club. That twat didn't 'come in peace', he just came to gloat. The utter arsehole.
 
todd1882 said:
Do you know the definition of collusion? Did you read the post that my post was in response to? If you do and you did, respectively, then you would have your answer. It's all pretty straightforward.
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I am fully aware of the previous posts. I was interested to know why you think the way you do. From my perspective, it is not straightforward. The behaviour doesn't appear to fit into most ordinary definitions of collusion, which require criminal, illegal or fraudulent activities to cheat others. The behaviour may turn out to be illegal but I don't think that is clear.
The "right" you are talking about is the right to buy oneself out of a contract. I am not sure how the clubs are denying the players rights in that regard. I suppose one could argue that the agreement has the effect of denying (and is designed to) stop a player working and therefore is anti-competitive? Could there also be price-fixing element? I have never done competition law though so don't know about this though.
 
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NDomBadBoy said:
There are a lot of players that deserve to play in the CL that don't. There are a few on our squad in addition to Kane that should be playing in the CL but don't act like a cunt.
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Are they wanted by city? Nope.
I love your faith in levy/enic. They are taken us to the next level! This time next year Rodney. But we are very average now. & no sign of us challenging any time soon under them. Kane has wised up to it even if you ain’t.
 
scott said:
Disagree. Kane is going because of the shit team we are under levy. He wants success. So it’s been building towards either Kane or levy for a while. Levy clearly got picked over Kane as per usual.
chairman over our best player. Odd fans.
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Were we lucky to get to multiple semis and finals? And second/third place finishes?

There is no doubt questionable decisions have been made, but money has been invested, only for certain players to fall short of what was expected and the team to not turn up when it matters. That, is on the players and the manager, not the board.

You can never forgive or forget the multiple windows without signing anyone, or Saha/Nelson and so on.

But this team has seen investment. Let's see if Paratici works, and works better than the last few years.

We have been impacted by Covid. We have made mistakes with Jose, maybe sacking Poch. NDombele and Lo Celso seem costly errors. It's not as straightforward as "shit team under levy". This "shit team" was also top at Christmas.
 
AcrossThePond said:
Odd statement. Do you rate keepers for stopping them?
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Do meter maids for writing tickets? It's their jobs and they are literally the tip of the attacking spear. If they tap them in effectively then great. But the goals are created elsewhere. Don't be taken in by shiny objects on the field when all the true footballing is happening before that. And don't overrate strikers because they score goals. Goals are not an intrinsic quality of a player. They are a function of a well drilled team. Put Harry in WBA under Pulis and he wouldn't have half the goals.
 
todd1882 said:
That's called collusion and would open the whole league to a legal shitshow of it's own. You can't do that and no one should be applauding this. You cannot conspire to deny people their legal rights FFS.

fuck it, this is England right? Let's behead the fucker ****someone on this board, soon****
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To prove collusion, Harry would have to demonstrate that City were involved too (alongside all other Premier League clubs) leading to the amusing situation of bringing legal accusations against a club he’s pestering to join.

For all the noise around this Webster stuff, it just looks like a bog standard ability to buy yourself out of a contract. In Kane’s case, it would be tens and tens of millions.

You don’t really need a legal ruling to do that, you just need to stump up the cash.
 
Mick Cooper said:
Jamie Carragher in the Telegraph
Kane risks his reputation – and not just at Spurs
Watching the situation with Harry Kane unfold over the past few days has brought back memories for me of the time when Steven Gerrard was considering leaving Liverpool for Chelsea. My advice to Stevie then was: “You are going to come back to the city, your kids are going to be Liverpool fans, you are loved, don’t ruin it for a move.”

Wrong approach: Harry Kane must not tarnish his hard-won reputation as a top professional
Wrong approach: Harry Kane must not tarnish his hard-won reputation as a top professional
He thought very hard about the reputational damage, and that is what pulled him back. He knew Chelsea were better than Liverpool and were going to win more trophies.

We all did, just as we know Manchester City have won and will continue to win more than Tottenham. But sometimes certain things are special and you do not ruin those special things.

I know people always say that Gerrard never won the league. But I am thinking what he did was bigger than winning the league. A local player, a one-club man, a Liverpool legend, arguably the greatest player in their history, all these things matter. They are special.

And he is seen around the world in a lot better light now because of that than if he had gone to Chelsea and won two or three league titles.

I would say that, because of Stevie’s decision to stay, there is almost a guarantee at some stage of his career that he will end up managing Liverpool. If he had gone to Chelsea at that time, would he actually still be in a position where he could potentially take over from Jurgen Klopp?

Tottenham are not Liverpool in terms of trophies and history and I am not saying Harry Kane should stay at Spurs. I know it is about the here and now and winning trophies. I get he wants to win the Premier League, win the Champions League. I have no problem with him wanting to go to City.

But it is the way he is going about trying to get that transfer by not turning up to training that is worrying. My message to Harry would be the same as it was to Stevie: “Don’t ruin your reputation for this; always think about your name and standing in the game.”

For me, that is as important as any trophy Harry could win. When I think of players not turning up for training, people like Pierre van Hooijdonk and Carlos Tevez spring to mind. You might expect it from certain players, but Harry Kane is seen differently. He is the England captain. But is anyone telling Kane not to put himself in that bracket?

I think missing one or two training sessions is not the end of that reputation, but if this continues, if he really drags it through the mud and this becomes a massive saga, I would be really disappointed in him, because I think that much of him as a player and a professional.

Being a local player like Kane means you are judged to a different standard by your club’s supporters. I was terrified of Liverpool fans ever thinking I was angling for a move – not that I did – or that I was a problem, or I was saying things in the press.

My contract talks would only ever last a couple of hours because of the concern I had about how supporters might perceive the situation. You have to conduct yourself differently as a local player. You are held to a higher standard. Kane is going to want to go back to Tottenham in years to come. If he goes to City, no matter what happens there, he will always be seen as Tottenham’s Harry Kane. He wants to be loved there.

He will live in London when he is finished, his kids will be Tottenham fans, he may end up managing the club. There are very few Harry Kanes left now. If you are that player and you want to go, you have got to go through the front door – not the back door.

A lot of people are having a go at the Tottenham chairman, Daniel Levy, saying he is reneging on a handshake with Kane. But surely this gentlemen’s agreement would have been along the lines of: “If you want to go, OK, you can go, but someone has to cough up the money for you.”

Levy has to protect Tottenham’s interests. What is everyone expecting him to do? Move aside and roll over? Imagine the reaction from Tottenham fans to Levy if he let Kane leave on the cheap? If City are offering £100 million for Jack Grealish, then Harry Kane is £150 million. I love Grealish, but how can you compare him to Kane? Kane is one of the best two or three players in the league. So the Grealish price plays into Levy’s hands.

But I still do not understand this talk of Kane being backed into a corner. Has he been? Why so? The club never forced him to sign a six-year deal in 2018. It is the fault of Kane and his advisers for signing a contract that long without a buy-out clause, which was absolutely ridiculous. What would annoy me if I was Kane is if City were sitting back and saying to him: “You might need to cause a bit of trouble because we want to get you cheaper.” But by kicking up a fuss he may ruin his relationship with a club he has been at since he was a kid and could then struggle to go back to in the future. Kane should be putting the ball in City’s court and saying: “If you want me, you know what it is going to cost.”

Kane’s actions will only have hardened Levy’s stance. I think he will see this as a fight now. I do not think you want to irritate owners like that. I think Kane should have gone about it in another way.

I think most realistic Tottenham fans can understand why he wants to go, but you risk turning the situation completely against you by not turning up for training when you have a six-year contract.

Don’t ruin your reputation, Harry. It matters
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MemphisWill said:
You have no indication that Levy has not negotiated in good faith and is unwilling to accept a reasonable offer.
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...except for the fact that he has known for a year of Harry's intentions yet here we are...and...
MemphisWill said:
The only firm rumour is that City offered £100M and were turned down. City have just paid £100M for Jack Grealish. £100M is clearly, then, not the value of the top striker in the PL - period. Levy has every right to tell City to pay up or fuck off.
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Yes, 100M is a reasonable offer IMO. If he feels he can get more then that's on him but as always this shit isn't done heading into a new season. And City's Grealish offer seems to be 75M + 25M addons. And who is to say what the value of a 29yo striker with bad ankles, limit mobility, and a penchant for tapins is? Is there an index you can point me toward? I'd snatch your hand off for Grealish + 25M and 25M and move on.
 
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