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Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane

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Not really statement of any meaning though, is it? I compare to Messi. Everyone on this board compares to Messi. Just how well we show up in comparision is the problem. In Ronaldo - the goal scorer's case he compares unfavorably to Messi - the complete player. But yes, he does compare to him.


surely you have to have something to support alleging any potential bias. I just stated all the things Messi was and Ronaldo is so few of those. Hell of a knack for getting a goal though.


One has scored goals and the other has done things that few could even conceive. And yes they have done it for years.


Like you said, respect to them both. But the standard Ronaldo set as a goalscorer does not put him in the same convo with Messi. I wish I had the van Basten quote about this. but let's jsut say his view on the linking of these two players as if they are equals was not a good one for CRonaldo fans.

For me I've always used it as a little test of a person's footballing savvy. It's kinda like the Dele test I use for Spurs supporters.

Mate no sweat.

I am comfortable with my view. Not a big deal for me that you disagree.
 
Not really statement of any meaning though, is it? I compare to Messi. Everyone on this board compares to Messi. Just how well we show up in comparision is the problem. In Ronaldo - the goal scorer's case he compares unfavorably to Messi - the complete player. But yes, he does compare to him.


surely you have to have something to support alleging any potential bias. I just stated all the things Messi was and Ronaldo is so few of those. Hell of a knack for getting a goal though.


One has scored goals and the other has done things that few could even conceive. And yes they have done it for years.


Like you said, respect to them both. But the standard Ronaldo set as a goalscorer does not put him in the same convo with Messi. I wish I had the van Basten quote about this. but let's jsut say his view on the linking of these two players as if they are equals was not a good one for CRonaldo fans.

For me I've always used it as a little test of a person's footballing savvy. It's kinda like the Dele test I use for Spurs supporters.
“Cristiano is a great player, but those who say he is better than Messi know nothing about football,” he said.

“Messi is one of a kind. Impossible to imitate and impossible to repeat. A player like him comes along every 50 or 100 years. As a kid, he fell into the football genius pot.”

 
Warned people that we play better without Kane but people suggested that I was just a hater and have an agenda against Kane

Pre season and beginning of the season, we looked fine and were getting results

As soon as Kane rejoins the starting line up, our form immediately goes to absolute dogshit

Kane is a problem and has been for a long time

When he's on the pitch, we have to play a certain way that isn't conducive to us winning games

Let Son/Lucas/Berg/Gil play together without Kane and you will see the fight back in this squad and we will start being competitive again
 
People fail to recognize that when Kane is playing, we have to play Harry Kane ball because of Kane's limitations as a player. That playing style is only beneficial for Kane's own individual stats but it doesn't necessarily mean we're better off as a team. There are a lot of players on the team that suffer when Kane is on the pitch.

Take Kane off and let the team play an organic/dynamic/faster style of football and you will get a team that is better than the sum of its parts.
 
Warned people that we play better without Kane but people suggested that I was just a hater and have an agenda against Kane

Pre season and beginning of the season, we looked fine and were getting results

As soon as Kane rejoins the starting line up, our form immediately goes to absolute dogshit

Kane is a problem and has been for a long time

When he's on the pitch, we have to play a certain way that isn't conducive to us winning games

Let Son/Lucas/Berg/Gil play together without Kane and you will see the fight back in this squad and we will start being competitive again
should of got 120 and moved on, look what liverpool did with coutinho, invested it in strengthening a few key areas and benefited hugely from it.

like you say we play better without him, hes coming far too deep and trying to be kdb, hes lost that intensity and physicality which helped him get his rep in the first place. if kane plays we need a target man whos going to make the ball stick and actually get in the box.
 
should of got 120 and moved on, look what liverpool did with coutinho, invested it in strengthening a few key areas and benefited hugely from it.

like you say we play better without him, hes coming far too deep and trying to be kdb, hes lost that intensity and physicality which helped him get his rep in the first place. if kane plays we need a target man whos going to make the ball stick and actually get in the box.
Pretty much word for word how I feel as well.

Should've sold him for £100m on the summer to a foreign club.
 
should of got 120 and moved on, look what liverpool did with coutinho, invested it in strengthening a few key areas and benefited hugely from it.

like you say we play better without him, hes coming far too deep and trying to be kdb, hes lost that intensity and physicality which helped him get his rep in the first place. if kane plays we need a target man whos going to make the ball stick and actually get in the box.
100%
I also think his name/presence/ego etc. is hurting the club as a whole
I think there's an element of players/managers/staff etc. wanting to please him and trying to force things to make him the de facto talisman at all times, regardless of how he's playing
As an example - why the hell is he taking free kicks... why?!
 
should of got 120 and moved on, look what liverpool did with coutinho, invested it in strengthening a few key areas and benefited hugely from it.

like you say we play better without him, hes coming far too deep and trying to be kdb, hes lost that intensity and physicality which helped him get his rep in the first place. if kane plays we need a target man whos going to make the ball stick and actually get in the box.

We definitely do not play better without him.

Even in the supposedly world class, elite show we put on against Man City at the start of the year we were awful in attack and looked totally toothless.

I know people have romanticized that game so they can totally ignore what actually happened but take Kane off this team and we are looking at a relegation battle.
 
I know people have romanticized that game so they can totally ignore what actually happened but take Kane off this team and we are looking at a relegation battle.
Really don't want to post this again but will do so in case the fanboys have forgotten already.

Since the 18-19 season w/o Kane Starting but w/ Son playing >60 mins

Premier League

12 Wins
2 Draws
5 Losses
*19 matches, 38 points

Champions League
Dortmund (1 leg) - Advance
Man City (x2 legs) - Advance
Ajax (x2 legs) - Advance

Europa League
Lask (1 leg) - Win

FA Cup
Middlesbrough - Advance
Southampton - Advance
 
We definitely do not play better without him.

Even in the supposedly world class, elite show we put on against Man City at the start of the year we were awful in attack and looked totally toothless.

I know people have romanticized that game so they can totally ignore what actually happened but take Kane off this team and we are looking at a relegation battle.
imo we play better as a unit without him. the teams geared up to suit him when he plays, hes a fucking striker coming far too deep leaving us fuck all in the box. would rather sell him and get a striker whos going to be a striker and let he midfielders do their job.

maybe if we had an actual number 9 with kane then things would be different, but when hes dropping so deep trying to spray balls to wingers, majority of the time it ends up doing absolutely fuck all because our striker is so far behind the play. he also looks to me like hes lost that grit that made him great.

number 9 dropping that deep to spray balls leaves us so off balance, when messi comes deep he works his way up the pitch playing 1-2s so when he does get into danger areas the balls at his feet, hes not spraying 40 yard balls to wingers and then not being able to help them
 
imo we play better as a unit without him. the teams geared up to suit him when he plays, hes a fucking striker coming far too deep leaving us fuck all in the box. would rather sell him and get a striker whos going to be a striker and let he midfielders do their job.

maybe if we had an actual number 9 with kane then things would be different, but when hes dropping so deep trying to spray balls to wingers, majority of the time it ends up doing absolutely fuck all because our striker is so far behind the play. he also looks to me like hes lost that grit that made him great.

number 9 dropping that deep to spray balls leaves us so off balance, when messi comes deep he works his way up the pitch playing 1-2s so when he does get into danger areas the balls at his feet, hes not spraying 40 yard balls to wingers and then not being able to help them
Problem with Kane trying to be that de facto #9 now is that he really lost his physicality and mobility to be a real force up top. Injuries have caught up to him. He doesn't want to be near the opposing CBs in fear of getting injured again so he drops deep and runs towards the ball.
 
Really don't want to post this again but will do so in case the fanboys have forgotten already.

Since the 18-19 season w/o Kane Starting but w/ Son playing >60 mins

Premier League

12 Wins
2 Draws
5 Losses
*19 matches, 38 points

Champions League
Dortmund (1 leg) - Advance
Man City (x2 legs) - Advance
Ajax (x2 legs) - Advance

Europa League
Lask (1 leg) - Win

FA Cup
Middlesbrough - Advance
Southampton - Advance
Give us the numbers since 19-20 or at least the post poch era. As that is more relevant to our current situation.
 
Give us the numbers since 19-20 or at least the post poch era. As that is more relevant to our current situation.
Since the 19-20 season w/o Kane Starting but w/ Son playing >60 mins

Premier League

6 Wins
1 Draws
3 Losses
Total: 10 games, 19 points, 1.9 points per game

*Totals w/ Kane: 71 games, 111 points, 1.5 points per game

FA Cup

Middlesbrough - Advance
Southampton - Advance
 
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Its one interpretation..But Kane being a bit shit against Chelsea and Palace was indeed one of the reasons we were horrendous in those games.

Kanes goal scoring past is a reason to assume he will come good again, but its a logical fallacy to simply suggest that's what will happen. He asked to leave last summer and this one. He has been open in his desire to go, gave a desprespectful interview to Nevile and showed up fat and late. Your ignoring the impact this will have on his form and team cohesion.

People are being blinded by the past and pretend the present has no baring. But from what I have seen and been told its a lot of wishful thinking. We saw this play out with Eriksen and I'm supprised at folks naivety. Id always play a committed player over a more talented uncommitted one.
 
I don't think it will take much longer for Kane to come around. Whatever he thinks about his situation he is a great goal scorer and those players have a need and drive to put the ball in the net. If we're having this conversion five matches down the road that's a whole other question but I'm still thinking there are better days ahead for Spurs and Kane. The problem is those better days probably won't be enough to get past about seventh.
 
I don't think it will take much longer for Kane to come around. Whatever he thinks about his situation he is a great goal scorer and those players have a need and drive to put the ball in the net. If we're having this conversion five matches down the road that's a whole other question but I'm still thinking there are better days ahead for Spurs and Kane. The problem is those better days probably won't be enough to get past about seventh.
The better days for us will be without Kane

We play better as a team without Kane

With Kane, yes he will get his goals but we will end up struggling as a team as we have over the last 2 years
 
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