If you didn't get shot, you didn't come to America. We literally shoot people as soon as they walk out of the airport. Its how we say hello.I went to America.... I never got shot.
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Well yeah…duh. Obviously.
But that goes for the owners of Liverpool, Man Utd, Woolwich, Chelsea, etc etc too.
What owners in the present day do you see as not doing that? (Among top English clubs)
I think you're confusing business with philanthropy.
That true I have been shot every time I have been over, people love me in your country, they always welcome me with a bullet.
Playing devils advocate a bit here as I don't have strong opinions on Arab owners, I just think any clubs with virtually unlimited funds are bad for the integrity of the sport, If I wanted to follow a sport that was all about money I'd follow Formula one racing. the morale question hasn't entered into it for me.
But If we are going to be talking about the morality of owners.
Do we have evidence that the new Newcastle owners have been personally involved in any crimes or human rights violations?
It doesn't really cut it when you just lump a group of people together based on their country of origin or ethnicity. Nor can they be blamed individually for the policies of the state they happen to reside in.
So if the country has what we in the West consider to be backwards views on homosexuality and women's rights, does that necessarily mean that the new Newcastle owners are at the forefront of that?
I don't know the answers I'm just asking the questions.
Secondly I assume everybody moaning about Newcastle's owners will be boycotting the World cup in Qatar next year for the rumoured human rights violations?
But If we are going to be talking about the morality of owners.
Do we have evidence that the new Newcastle owners have been personally involved in any crimes or human rights violations?
It doesn't really cut it when you just lump a group of people together based on their country of origin or ethnicity. Nor can they be blamed individually for the policies of the state they happen to reside in.
So if the country has what we in the West consider to be backwards views on homosexuality and women's rights, does that necessarily mean that the new Newcastle owners are at the forefront of that?
I don't know the answers I'm just asking the questions.
Secondly I assume everybody moaning about Newcastle's owners will be boycotting the World cup in Qatar next year for the rumoured human rights violations?
I'd rather be 'just a customer' than an advocate-by-proxy for one of these shitty regimes.
If I tire of being a customer at any time; I can walk away with my principals still in tact.
What a load of shit. Nothing really else to be said about the drivel you've spewed out there.
I am..I have cancelled my travel arrangements and am having a week in Skegness instead.
Yup just the same as the Saudi government.
We're not talking about random Saudis though are we? We're talking about the crown prince and government of Saudi Arabia owning Newcastle, not some random citizen. If the government of Saudi Arabia isn't responsible for the human rights horrors of the Saudi government, then I don't know who is.
Like fuck they would
Fickle doesn’t cover a lot of our fans
Like the welcome that snake Kane got when he eventually decided to play for us after his disgraceful behaviour in the Summer
Every time he touched the ball he should have got shit!
So if we were taken over by a Saudi like regime we would be exactly like the Toon fans and in Tottenham High Road they would all be celebrating
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Didn't they just undergo certain tests which ascertained that the government wouldn't be in charge and instead it is some other business entity? at least that will be the "front" of the organisation.
I have to agree.Like fuck they would
Fickle doesn’t cover a lot of our fans
Like the welcome that snake Kane got when he eventually decided to play for us after his disgraceful behaviour in the Summere
Every time he touched the ball he should have got shit!
So if we were taken over by a Saudi like regime we would be exactly like the Toon fans and in Tottenham High Road they would all be celebrating
I think a few would follow their convictions and fair play to them, but most here are just jealous its not us. I say it as I see it.
Wait, you wanted to go to the US instead? Ok, please fill out these forms and we'll see if we can start rerouting you.
Oh, shit, we're out of the English forms today? Just use google translate and you'll be fine.
I suppose using that argument you could say there wasn't any evidence that Hitler was personally involved in killing any Jews.
Not sure it washes to be honest.
Honestly I don't like any of it, I am genuinely considering walking away and have been for sometime now.
Football has been a morally corrupt sport for a long time now in terms of what it is for the paying supporters.
However, the regimes that are taking over these clubs now and the people celebrating it really is the final nail in the coffin for me I think.
I am conflicted because I love my club but I no longer love the sport.
"Tests", you mean as watertight as FFP?
The Crown Prince is the chairman of PIF - who also happens to be the deputy prime minister and a defence secretary. I mean, it's not even "arms length" is it?
To that ends we're on the same page; but....
I was asking another poster this the other day; how far do you think we'd need to go back to find a pure and morally respectable football?
Pre EPL? (Definately!)
70's?
60's?
Pre WWII?
.......Shady rich men have owned clubs for what feels like forever.