Thats true. Let's say decline from what he was before the injuries pre CL final. I'd still call it a decline. For me he peaked back then.
True enough he hasn't got much competition in our current side.
That still doesn't excuse his behaviour.
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True enough he hasn't got much competition in our current side.
That still doesn't excuse his behaviour.
I'm willing to bet that when he does get his move, he'll be a success for whoever he goes to. Don't believe he's done for a second. All this talk of a decline 'if we take away goals' is all rather silly to me, he's a striker, scoring goals is his whole job. That's their purpose on the football pitch.
He will go somewhere else and score loads. Probably some more against big sides if he plays for a team who create chances for fun. He'll still be a flawed player and not quite a Lewandowski, but will get back to being one of the best 5 CF's currently around.
At Spurs imo this season it's a combination of his head being gone and Nuno's tactics benefitting none of our attackers, and least of all him. It's not some dramatic Rooney decline. If I'm wrong and in a year or so he's the same, I'll hold my hands up.
He will go somewhere else and score loads. Probably some more against big sides if he plays for a team who create chances for fun. He'll still be a flawed player and not quite a Lewandowski, but will get back to being one of the best 5 CF's currently around.
At Spurs imo this season it's a combination of his head being gone and Nuno's tactics benefitting none of our attackers, and least of all him. It's not some dramatic Rooney decline. If I'm wrong and in a year or so he's the same, I'll hold my hands up.
He literally peaked last season.
Did you have a head injury and forgot he won the golden boot, most assists and propelled England into the Euros final?
His best ever season.
What are you talking about?
If you think he peaked last season you need to study football a bit more and stop being duped by statistics.
Yeah, but I'm sure his contract doesn't stipulate a certain number of goals. He's paid to train and be ready to perform. Goals are the expected return but effort is the contractual obligation. The effort that makes ups the other 80-90% of a striker's game is what he's paid for.
And his lack of goals isn't all his fault. His scoring decline is because we don't set up enough chances for him...or the plate upon which we set them is too big. This has a slightly inconvenient corollary to folks like my dear friend
Igula
and it is that perhaps all the goals he did score were not down to his singular brilliance.
Kane and Rooney's peak and subsequent decline have been similar.
Both were around a similar age when they hit their respective peaks (~25 years old).
Below are PL goals scored for both players.
Kane
17-18 (age 24-25): 30 goals
18-19: 17 goals
19-20: 18 goals
20-21: 23 goals
21-22: 1 goal in 9 apps
Rooney
09-10 (age 24-25): 26 goals (PFA POTY)
10-11: 11 goals
11-12: 27 goals
12-13: 12 goals
13-14: 17 goals
14-15: 12 goals
15-16: 8 goals
16-17: 5 goals
17-18: 10 goals (w/ Everton)
2018: Playing in MLS at age 32
Imagine telling Man Utd fans that Rooney was showing signs of decline and will be no longer elite during the 11-12 season when he scored 27 goals... I'm sure they would have laughed and brushed it off.
Both statistics and the eye test point to the fact that Kane is in a serious decline....
Both were around a similar age when they hit their respective peaks (~25 years old).
Below are PL goals scored for both players.
Kane
17-18 (age 24-25): 30 goals
18-19: 17 goals
19-20: 18 goals
20-21: 23 goals
21-22: 1 goal in 9 apps
Rooney
09-10 (age 24-25): 26 goals (PFA POTY)
10-11: 11 goals
11-12: 27 goals
12-13: 12 goals
13-14: 17 goals
14-15: 12 goals
15-16: 8 goals
16-17: 5 goals
17-18: 10 goals (w/ Everton)
2018: Playing in MLS at age 32
Imagine telling Man Utd fans that Rooney was showing signs of decline and will be no longer elite during the 11-12 season when he scored 27 goals... I'm sure they would have laughed and brushed it off.
Both statistics and the eye test point to the fact that Kane is in a serious decline....
Last season Kane's goals made him the top scorer in the whole league, whilst having less penalties than the second top scorer who was Salah. You've also left out he had the most assists, which means overall he had far more goal contributions than any other attacking player.
If he was declining, then numbers wise last season he stopped, in fact he had his most productive season yet in terms of goal contributions. You can't just leave that out. Statistics don't back you up on this at all.
The season before last he played less games too (due to injury) and without that probably gets 20+ league goals. Season before that he played less still, these were two seasons where he had major ankle issues. Last season he was relatively injury free and got back to 20+ in the league, which is around his career average.
That's what he is, a 20 goals in the league striker. Sometimes he'll get a bit more, sometimes a bit less, but that's about the norm. And that puts him up there with some of the best strikers in world football, but not quite there with the very, very best.
And the 10 games he's played this season under a manager who is about to get the boot while playing for a club he clearly doesn't want to be at, aren't good evidence he's on a steep decline.
That's what he is, a 20 goals in the league striker. Sometimes he'll get a bit more, sometimes a bit less, but that's about the norm. And that puts him up there with some of the best strikers in world football, but not quite there with the very, very best.
And the 10 games he's played this season under a manager who is about to get the boot while playing for a club he clearly doesn't want to be at, aren't good evidence he's on a steep decline.
The four seasons after Rooney won the PFA POTY, he scored 67 goals, including a season where he scored 27 goals.
If Kane scores 15 PL goals this season, he will end up having a total of 73 PL goals in the 4 seasons after he hit his peak in 17-18.
Collectively, Kane's 4 year goal total after hitting his peak is right in line with Rooney. Rooney's also got more assists than Kane during that 4 year span.
Lets hope Kane can even get 15 PL goals this season...
Last year was Kane's peak in terms of PL goal contributions. This season he's at a club he badly wants to leave, and so far has played under a manager who is about to get the sack. It's a write off of a season for most players at the club. The only way we can point to long term decline in terms of ability to score goals is if he moves elsewhere and is the same player, right now it's easily explainable.
Rooney was a phenomenal player, then hit a sudden decline. The same MIGHT happen to Kane but this season isn't evidence of it yet, and last season he contributed to more than any other player in England. He dramatically improved from the two seasons he had previously. You can talk about decline to elements of his game, but the 10 games so far this season prove nothing.
I’d be willing to have a bet he does score 15 in PL.
what odds would you give me?
He may. I wouldn’t doubt it. Even if he does score 15, it would still be safe to say that he has been in a decline since 2017 when he scored 30 PL goals. A decline that’s more or less comparable to Rooney’s decline after he won the PFA POTY.
Yeah, but I'm sure his contract doesn't stipulate a certain number of goals. He's paid to train and be ready to perform. Goals are the expected return but effort is the contractual obligation. The effort that makes ups the other 80-90% of a striker's game is what he's paid for.
And his lack of goals isn't all his fault. His scoring decline is because we don't set up enough chances for him...or the plate upon which we set them is too big. This has a slightly inconvenient corollary to folks like my dear friend
If you watched him last year and think that someone was setting up goals on a plate I am not sure what you were watching.
Yeah? I've posted and watched his goals live (most) and clips. This is my assessment of all his goals last season
There's some table service going up in there Iggy.
#29 alone shows you are lying!
I wouldn’t put money on that
I would however happily bet that if he did, not one would be against a top 4 club, and 13 would be against the bottom ten
We've changed our back 4.
We've changed our midfield.
We've brought in a multitude of wingers.
We've changed our coach 3 times.
Same result, and same slow boring football.
The one think we haven't changed over the years is our central striker (except that time he got injured and we go into the champions league final) .
Kane was at his best last season when he was dropping into the number 10 position and acting as support act to Son - clearly not where he wants to be.
We've changed our midfield.
We've brought in a multitude of wingers.
We've changed our coach 3 times.
Same result, and same slow boring football.
The one think we haven't changed over the years is our central striker (except that time he got injured and we go into the champions league final) .
Kane was at his best last season when he was dropping into the number 10 position and acting as support act to Son - clearly not where he wants to be.
Conte won’t accept any sheeeeet from Kane. Watch out fella, there is a new king in town.
He needs to be moved on its over. He was central to Pochettino Spurs team and thats the past
Conte, seeing the legendary Harry Kane move around in training for the first time
