Transfers January 2022 - Transfer Window

[ElTel]

As much as the player needs to work for their time and put in the effort, the recruitment side of things has been so poor for some of our signings.

Jack Clarke for example. If I remember rightly, we chose Clarke over Bowen. Dreadful decision making.

We all wanted Ndombele, so we can't argue that. Lo Celso looked like he started well, but has just been so poor, worse than Lamela. Should have gone all out for Bruno, but again we fannied about with it.

Although some of Patrici's signings so far have been questionable, I actually think Conte is being given some freedom. I can't imagine Levy being happy to sell Bergwijn and Ndombele this window, but Conte would have pushed for that.

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We all wanted Ndombele? I was part of a minority that questioned what was the big deal about him. I watched some videos of him and all I could see was a player strolling around and being also being fouled a lot/falling over. There were flashes of skill but the overriding impression was that this player would struggle with the pace and physicality of the PL.

Lo Celso on the other hand I thought would do well but he has been just as shockingly poor as Ndombele.

 

[GOAT]

We signed anyone yet?

 

[RomanzoCriminale]

As I have pointed out so many times before: one could just google Ndombele and find out about his attitude problems. Yes, some players change but not all - rather few, in fact. There is a looong list of super talented players with the "wrong" attitude who were on and off but never lived up to their potential.
Emerson was a top RB in La Liga but doesn't seem built for the EPL. Besides, he was bought as an RB and not as an RWB.
As for Gil: I still think he can become a top player but maybe not in the EPL. My verdict is still out on him though, as he's got the talent and seemingly the right attitude as well.

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And go in the Ndombele thread and probably every other player thread that has signed in the past 5-10 years and over 80% of posts will be creaming about x player we're signing or have just signed.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing

 

[Matt1882]

It's not just us that spunks fortunes on shite either.

Pogba.
Werner.
Van De Beeke
Robinho.
Alexis Sanchez
Shevchenko
Torres
Veron
Etc etc


There's hundreds of players at all budgets (£5m to some clubs is £50m to others) that have failed despite all signs to the contrary.

 

[Matt1882]

And go in the Ndombele thread and probably every other player thread that has signed in the past 5-10 years and over 80% of posts will be creaming about x player we're signing or have just signed.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing

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Because people on internet forums often think they know everything about football, every league and every player. When in truth they don't know their arse from their elbow.

 

[Pathfinder]

I don't think its relevant to talk about how FCB played him, seeing as he only ever played 3 games as a sub for them, a total of 90 mins.

Also, pretty much all full backs in Spain are expected to be wing backs as we would understand them, whatever the formation the team plays. The name of the position in Spanish- lateral - gives you some idea of the role they're expected to play, up and down the wing, the length of the pitch. There have been very, very few what you might call traditional left or right backs in the Gary Neville mould, I can't think of any in my 30 years here.

It's by no means a newish thing either. In the early 60s my father-in-law played left back for Atleti until military service put a stop to things, the thing he highlights about his style of play was his speed up and down the wing as opposed to his tackling or defensive positioning.

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I thought I mentioned that he played only 3 games for Barca but it didn't get included in the post.
True, full backs in Spain are expected to be more attacking and better on the ball than in most other leagues, including the EPL; but there is still a difference between playing as a full back vs as a wing back even in Spain (unless we're talking about Marcelino or Dani Alves).
I still believe that Emerson is a quality player but I doubt he's suited for Spurs or even the EPL but he'll do well in La Liga or Seri A

 

[Airfixx]

I was talking about the summer of 2011 - the year before he got his big break

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We;'re on the same page in terms of time-frame.... Just my recollection of dates was out.

and joined Chelski for £32m; so his fee would have been less than £20m.

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Pure conjecture on your part.

As per previous post; you don;'t even know if Lille would have been prepared to sign him then let alone for almost half the amount that hey eventually accepted.

Again; it's seems necessary to point out that trf fees were generally MUCH lower before PSG fucked the market with the Mbappe/Neymar window.

Back in 2008, Spurs spent £17m on Modric, so such fees were not unheard of at Spurs that time.

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Never the less, big money for a 19year old 10 years ago.

Again you missed the point, though:

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Not a point missed at all.... I just don't think you're acknowledging the entire landscape of the hazard situ.

Spurs should be able to find and identify prospects like that and sign them on a relatively cheap price BEFORE they make their break and richer clubs comes in.

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That would be wonderful and it's something we have done fairly well at in the past; it's not an exact science though and is also a far more exploited approach than it once was... Even compared to 10 years ago,

The funny thing is people are simultaneously moaning about Emerson, Gil, Giollini, Sessengon et al and will no doubt moan about Sarr too should he not be an overnight success here.


Generally speaking, our scouting and recruitment has scope for vast improvement. That much I do acknowledge, before you try to falsely spin that line too.

 

[Deleted member 15482]

We signed anyone yet?

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There is plenty of time left in the window. And business is difficult in January. The squad isn't so bad anyway, maybe Conte can get more from them.

 

[Airfixx]

We all wanted Ndombele? I was part of a minority that questioned what was the big deal about him. I watched some videos of him and all I could see was a player strolling around and being also being fouled a lot/falling over. There were flashes of skill but the overriding impression was that this player would struggle with the pace and physicality of the PL.

Lo Celso on the other hand I thought would do well but he has been just as shockingly poor as Ndombele.

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A vast majority were excited about his signing.... I think that's the point (despite the absolute wording).

Big up your dosser radar in this case tho.

 

[Pathfinder]

And go in the Ndombele thread and probably every other player thread that has signed in the past 5-10 years and over 80% of posts will be creaming about x player we're signing or have just signed.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing

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If you had read my post I was not talking about hindsight. I said one could google articles about Ndombele before he joined Spurs about his attitude problems.
And in this case, I am not talking about common fans knowing this and that about a player. A big clubs like Spurs have a expensive system set up to find out and detect "attitude problems" to the players they are after.
So you were wrong, it was not about hindsight but insight

 

[GOAT]

There is plenty of time left in the window. And business is difficult in January. The squad isn't so bad anyway, maybe Conte can get more from them.

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[Notabadsquad]

It's not just us that spunks fortunes on shite either.

Pogba.
Werner.
Van De Beeke
Robinho.
Alexis Sanchez
Shevchenko
Torres
Veron
Etc etc


There's hundreds of players at all budgets (£5m to some clubs is £50m to others) that have failed despite all signs to the contrary.

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Whilst there is some commonality in that list, I don't think there is anything in life that is worse than a lack of effort. That part is intolerable and marks Ndombele out as last among equals.

Like Mourinho he will be easily forgotten.

 

[GOAT]

We all wanted Ndombele? I was part of a minority that questioned what was the big deal about him. I watched some videos of him and all I could see was a player strolling around and being also being fouled a lot/falling over. There were flashes of skill but the overriding impression was that this player would struggle with the pace and physicality of the PL.

Lo Celso on the other hand I thought would do well but he has been just as shockingly poor as Ndombele.

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Well BULLY for you. What do you want, a fucking medal!

 

[For better or worse]

You obviously don't appreciate that an extra 10m was big money in those days and if (as above) you too are talking a fledgling Hazard who had proven next to nothing then circa 25m was huge money for us (and such a player) back around 09/10.

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It's kinda what we've done with Gil, over 40 games in LaLiga, full International debut made, cost £25m...

Only time will tell if it works out, certainly not a star as it currently stands.

 

[Airfixx]

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Guimares sounds like he'd tick a lot of boxes....

Anyone got any opinions on him?

Another Ligue Un MF.... What could possibly go wrong! LOL

 

[Shadydan]

Those were the extreme examples yes (and if the graph had started 10 years further back Chelski would have been far ahead of the rest).
But I did not say or even hint that I expected Lewis to spend that amount of money. But you have Villa, Everton, Brighton and Leicester owners, too, who've spent a considerable amount of money.
I prefer owners who are so passionate about the club that they're ready to spend some of their fortunes on the club they "own".
If they are fans of their club why couldn't that be expected? After all the "real" fans spend a small fortune of their money to support the club.

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Bit of a contradiction here, not sure what your point is anymore?

 

[Matt1882]

Premier League dribbling stats.

Successful Dribbles - Premier League 2021/2022

Most Successful Dribbles in Premier League 2021/2022. View the list of top Successful Dribbles and other players stats.

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Note Traore has completed the most dribbles in the league despite that fact he plays less minutes and less games. Than others. 81 successful, from 100 attempted.
Our nearest is Moura with 43 from 63.

 

[GOAT]

Here's some bullshit ITK from Shit Community and Troglodyty Trix - enjoy the laughs

Who: Trix
Where: SC
When: Today

This window we are pushing for De Vrij, Traore, plus one forward Vlahaovic/Ketelaere. From an agent who has a player at the club, not my best source but has had solid info in the past. I am trying to get this confirmed

 

[Aimson]

It's not just us that spunks fortunes on shite either.

Pogba.
Werner.
Van De Beeke
Robinho.
Alexis Sanchez
Shevchenko
Torres
Veron
Etc etc


There's hundreds of players at all budgets (£5m to some clubs is £50m to others) that have failed despite all signs to the contrary.

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All those players were bought by clubs that seem to have infinite money (assuming Sanchez is on there because of his United transfer, he was good for Woolwich for a while). We dont have the luxury of being able to make Kepa the most expensive goalkeeper ever, just to replace him shortly after. Wish we did though!

 

[GOAT]

And here's more bullshit from Captain Pugwash and his band of merry fuckwits

Who: dragon1
Where coys


We are looking for outside investment

club is at an impasse , joe does not want to invest , Daniel does not want to sell but penny has finally dropped that we cannot carry on in this non competitive cycle of not winning anything and the current squad is a long way off

Daniel respects fab and conte opinion and the penny has finally dropped

I do not know the finer details but there will likely be a small amount of shares Sold or some other structure so money is brought it

We are going to try and make some signings this window

Tanguy , dele , doc and rodon are all available For sale , wolves have some interest In doc

Brighton wanted 50 for lamptey so not happening , we are interested in traore and the Florentina striker

a big priority the second half of the season Is breaking John and Devine who’s currently injured into team they are the clubs future

regarding the bergwin rumors just breaking , he is also for sale , ajax wanted in summer but we wanted 30 million and they just do not have the money but if someone pays up he can go '