Skipp is being overrated just like Winks was when he first came on the scene and Tanganga.
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Player Rodrigo Bentancur
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Well then this could be good because if he had a very good year he must do a ton of work off the ball because his stats were not impressive that year so must be a bunch of skills he has that we can't see.
He’s competition in midfield. People putting too much stock in the top 11 stuff. It’s ok to not have a nailed on top 11. Many of these top teams have a group of guys who can all do the job. Italian clubs in particular always seem to have a bunch of CMs who rotate heavily. Hopefully now we have 4 guys who can do a job and can be pretty dang good on their day. I don’t know if he’s the right signing or the right price but I’m going to be an optimist. I think we still need a creative player but we are also probably getting rid of 3 CMs so we also need just capable bodies.
When was the last time Conte regularly used a MFer that is so poor with ball as him (and Wanks and PEH)?
None of his players at Inter were that bad, I don’t see any at Chelsea. I am not as familiar with his Juve teams though.
Pjanic left after that season, then Juventus midfield turned to shit because bunches of misfit individuals signed under Paratici.
So we're getting a midfielder who benefit from a midfield general, for our midfield that crying for a midfield general. What is the point? If we have peak Dembele and Wanyama, even Winks looked decent.
I'm not going to pretend to know a huge amount about him, he seems to be pretty solid on the ball from what I've read. Had 7 assists a couple of seasons ago in Serie A. FBRef says similar player profiles to him are Jorginho, Caqueret, Busquests, Tyler Adams, and Strootman who I all know pretty well and they are sound passers but not Modric or Pirlo-esque.
Once again, I've only seen him play a couple times so I don't know enough to argue or disagree. But nothing I've seen or read would indicate he's not a solid to above average passer. He looks like he's in the regista mould like Brozovic or Jorginho.
Seems a sensible signing for January, with a bigger name needed in the summer.
Sort of like Poch for us.
Everything I have read is that his biggest weakness is passing. Sideways, backwards and turnovers.
I thought I saw someone specifically say he can’t play the Brozovic role. Would be really good if he could.
His competition was mid thirty injury prone and old Khedira, also mid thirty Matuidi, garbage Emre Can. In the second Scudetto winning season, Ramsey and Rabiot were added with Emre got dumped to Dortmund. Hardly tough competition he faced there.
Juventus midfield at the time revolved around Pjanic who is freakishly good, but requires his partner to put in the legwork. Among all his partners Bentacur was the best complement partner.
After Pjanic left, Bentacur got found out. He's no good on his own, nor he can complement other nothing special midfielders Juventus has.
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I don't watch that many Juventus games, but in no way he's a regista. Paratici wouldn't bring Rabiot, and Arthur Melo in (to replace Pjanic) if Juventus already had a regista. Bentancur to Jorginho is like Harry Winks to Iniesta.
I don't know, I have seen he's a decent enough passer and he's got solid assist numbers. But like I said, I've only read not watched.
Ultimately, in the modern insane transfer market, I'm not upset about spending 20ish million quid for a 24 year with 187 appearances for Juventus and 46 caps for a top level national team like Uruguay. You don't play that much for high-level sides by accident and we're not paying much. When we signed Ndombele and Lo Celso (who are both older the Bentancur) for 2x and nearly 3x the price, neither of them had even 90 first division European appearances, at much lesser clubs than Juve.
We obviously still need an elite midfielder in the summer, but for January Bentancur seems decent enough, it's a reasonable price for a player with a lot of experience who is only 24.
Juve need to sell considering they spent money they don't have on Vlahovic. They are still trying to make Superleague work they are so desperate for money. I also don't really care what Juve fans are saying about Kulu or Bentancur, they've been wildly spoiled over the last decade and very whiny in their first moment of struggle.
I am mainly going off reading and stats as well so could be pleasantly surprised.
I hate the fit more than the player. I said in the transfer thread if we were moving out one or both of Winks/PEH were moving out and we brought in a progressive player with him I like it. He just seems like a marginal upgrade in those two and I think we need something different than that in our midfield.
They won the Scudetto by 11 points with him as regular and making 31 appearances, surely he's at least a solid player.
Obviously he's not as good Pjanic, who cost 70m and was signed by Barcelona. If the standard for a good signing is he has to be as good as prime Miralem Pjanic, we will never make a decent signing. The level of player he was at that time was faaaaar beyond our reach. He still flopped at Barcelona regardless.
That's fair. I hate the club's talking points about how difficult January is, you can make solid signings in January. But at the same time we're not going to get everything we need in January either and we'll have to make another high level midfield signing in the summer, assuming Lo Celso and Ndombele are gone.
For me, Bentancur looks like a solid January replacement for either Lo Celso or Ndombele, who are not fits with Conte or any manager who values reliability, and we'll likely be focused on signing a different type of player in the summer.
I just have a hard time believing a player with a resume and experience like Bentancur can't give us more for the run in and in the future than Lo Celso and Ndombele. All depends on how we approach the summer window too. This window and that window have to viewed complimentarily.
People tend to forget we have Winks and Hojberg starting and lo celso playing right wing.
Both these signings are useful at worse.
Bentancur is not a much better player than Hojbjerg. They are at the same level.
Juventus was that stronger that season than the rest of Serie A.
Fabien Delph was a regular for Man City record breaking title winner. Where is he now? Was his contribution that great or it's his attribute that complement the team in that situation gives him all those appearances. Then when thing changed significantly. Or similarly how Winks, Sissoko were main stay in our team that reached CL final. Were they better than peak Wanyama and Dembele that failed to even made a CL semi final? Or Winks and Sissoko were carried by the better players, and that we had no better option in midfield at the time.
Pjanic was that good and still ended up a flop, and you're telling me to be optimistic about a guy who got found out at Juventus to come rescue our midfield...
No one expecting one of the best midfielder at peak. However, can we sign someone who is at least performing. Not someone his club is fed up with the latest one and half season. The version we're getting is not a high on confident Scudetto winning midfielder. We're getting a bench player for a team fighting for top 4 in Serie A.
We miss Hojberg alot when he doesnt play so surely for 20m euros its a good signing?
When we have cup and European games we are always throwing Hojberg and Moura on to rescue games.
I know we want the superstars to come. But the squad is so lame, these 2 signings are very welcome.
The question is whether he's better than what we got, or we're adding to our mess. Then comes summer we can't move the other dross and unable to sign those good players that become available.
Juventus dumping this guy so they have money and squad space for Zakaria. They're paying a cheaper fee for him (his contract expiring in the summer). So why don't we hijack that instead if it's just about cheap, anything is better than nothing?