Manager Antonio Conte

[Igula]

Well Conte first 11 matches yielded 7 wins, 3 draws, 1 loss.
Last 12 matches 5 wins, 7 losses.
So actually in those early games the team showed it can perform. Not looking so good now but nothing to do with Conte I’m sure

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Feel free to point out how it is due to Conte. If it is so clear then surely you can point to the exact reasons.

I would say that our poor form surely couldn't have anything do to with Skipp and now Bentancur being injured, Son missing games and struggling coming back.

I am sure that a manager who is clearly world class and had success throughout his career is the problem and not the dog shit players that have been awful for 2+ plus years and 4+ managers.

 

[Igula]

Nope

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Sorry that the truth is so hard for you to understand.

 

[Deuterz]

Important to note that Guardiola in his first season at City struggled to get top 4, had games where they were battered by the likes of Everton (we beat them VERY comfortably too) and generally just weren't particularly good. That was with a full pre season, lots of spending and him being considered the best manager in football. You had English pundits revelling in his failure as it proved the PL was a different beast. Klopp too struggled after coming in mid season, lots of very poor results. Even in his first full season they scraped 4th in the table.

Top managers aren't magicians, they don't arrive, wave a magic wand and within a month you have champagne football. There's a lot of painful transition and mistakes along the way, thus far Conte has had zero pre season and 2 Jan signings (one of which has been injured) to work with. I understand not being impressed currently, but people have to ask themselves if they really want the club to pay the fee of sacking another manager and start a new project with new aims because we've had a poor couple of months. This club needs stability and consistency.

 

[Merl]

Important to note that Guardiola in his first season at City struggled to get top 4, had games where they were battered by the likes of Everton (we beat them VERY comfortably too) and generally just weren't particularly good. That was with a full pre season, lots of spending and him being considered the best manager in football. You had English pundits revelling in his failure as it proved the PL was a different beast. Klopp too struggled after coming in mid season, lots of very poor results. Even in his first full season they scraped 4th in the table.

Top managers aren't magicians, they don't arrive, wave a magic wand and within a month you have champagne football. There's a lot of painful transition and mistakes along the way, thus far Conte has had zero pre season and 2 Jan signings (one of which has been injured) to work with. I understand not being impressed currently, but people have to ask themselves if they really want the club to pay the fee of sacking another manager and start a new project with new aims because we've had a poor couple of months. This club needs stability and consistency.

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Great post.

To the morons out there who are trying to blame this on Conte- you are deluding yourselves that he is the problem.

Until the squad is improved it’s going to be inconsistent and painful at times

If you are proposing to get rid of Conte, who do you think we could actually get that is better than him? Maybe only Pep or Klopp have a higher standing than him currently.

If you really think a Potter or whoever the hipsters choice this month is are going to suddenly make this team play amazing football and get the results as well then you clearly no nothing about football and haven’t watched this group of players over the last few years.

 

[matspur]

Feel free to point out how it is due to Conte. If it is so clear then surely you can point to the exact reasons.

I would say that our poor form surely couldn't have anything do to with Skipp and now Bentancur being injured, Son missing games and struggling coming back.

I am sure that a manager who is clearly world class and had success throughout his career is the problem and not the dog shit players that have been awful for 2+ plus years and 4+ managers.

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So Conte hasn’t made mistakes?
In my opinion he failed to appreciate that Burnley were a different kettle of fish to City and that he should have played wide players like Moura who would have been more adept at breaking defensive teams down than Royal and Sessegnon.

He has often been late with his substitutions and when he has made them I’ve been scratching my head. For example I think he was wrong to take Son off against City and it nearly cost us.

He was in charge of motivating the team last night yet the team looked anything but motivated and made Middlesbrough look like the PL team (the same Boro who lost on Saturday to bottom of the table Barnsley).

We were pathetic in 3 matches against Chelsea this season despite having Son, Kane and Moura up front. We played like cowards and again Conte was partly responsible for that.

I want him to do well cos I love Spurs but I genuinely think the jury is out at the moment
4/10 so far

 

[Eli]

Let's be honest the Don has been fucking bang average

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Is‘nt he just not at all like our last 5,6 managers with the exception of you know who? Who have all been master tacticians and that have adopted free flowing silky football and have had plans A, B & C…….just in case…..

 

[Airfixx]

Great post.

To the morons out there who are trying to blame this on Conte- you are deluding yourselves that he is the problem.

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As far as I've seen 1 maybe 2 people have said they want him gone..... Perspective.

By the same token; there's no reason he should be spared reasonable due scrutiny.

Until the squad is improved it’s going to be inconsistent and painful at times

If you are proposing to get rid of Conte, who do you think we could actually get that is better than him? Maybe only Pep or Klopp have a higher standing than him currently.

If you really think a Potter or whoever the hipsters choice this month is are going to suddenly make this team play amazing football and get the results as well then you clearly no nothing about football and haven’t watched this group of players over the last few years.

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Important to note that Guardiola in his first season at City struggled to get top 4, had games where they were battered by the likes of Everton (we beat them VERY comfortably too) and generally just weren't particularly good. That was with a full pre season, lots of spending and him being considered the best manager in football. You had English pundits revelling in his failure as it proved the PL was a different beast. Klopp too struggled after coming in mid season, lots of very poor results. Even in his first full season they scraped 4th in the table.

Top managers aren't magicians, they don't arrive, wave a magic wand and within a month you have champagne football. There's a lot of painful transition and mistakes along the way, thus far Conte has had zero pre season and 2 Jan signings (one of which has been injured) to work with. I understand not being impressed currently, but people have to ask themselves if they really want the club to pay the fee of sacking another manager and start a new project with new aims because we've had a poor couple of months. This club needs stability and consistency.

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With regard to both the above similar questions; it depends what one is seeking for us to get out of Conte or another manager at this juncture...

If what's at play here is little more than impatience and a pipe-dream that we ought to be able to expect league titles from Conte within his contracted 18-months (so long as he gets to have a bit of a spend up in the summer); well, these people are most likely on a road to disappointment.

If however some think there's more chance of progression under a longer term project (eg someone of the Potter ilk) and/or thinks the football may be more pleasurable from week to week and what's more think any investment made would be better spent in pursuit of those things, then I think there's a fair and objective discussion to be had.


Personally my hopes (expectations) of Conte's immediate tenure is a re-boot in attitude and a re-direction/positioning over the next 18 months that leaves us in a position to THEN start challenging should any financial backing continue beyond this summer......

Now he may not philosophically agree with this outlook (and harbour a 'no title = failure' attitude) ; but what that means to me is top 4 by the end of next season with the squad being of better quality, balance and mentality than when he arrived. (Essentially, there being a short and a medium term project here for him.)

.....If however; he is not committed to that remit (and will just pout and moan if he's not in the title mix), then I think I'd rather cut our losses in the summer and give someone else that same kind of backing and pursue a more progressive, attacking brand of football in the process.

 

[Igula]

So Conte hasn’t made mistakes?

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I think all his so-called mistakes have been down to issues with the squad. I can't think of a mistake he made that wasn't due to the lack of quality that we have.

He obviously isn't 10/10 no manager is but his decisions have to be looked at with context and the context is we don't have good player.

In my opinion he failed to appreciate that Burnley were a different kettle of fish to City and that he should have played wide players like Moura who would have been more adept at breaking defensive teams down than Royal and Sessegnon.

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Moura can't break down defenses he is terrible at it. This is what I am talking about if the complaint with Conte is that he didn't play Moura to breakdown the defense I have a hard time giving him much stick because Moura is a terrible option. Hard to blame Conte when he has to decide which terrible option to go with.

if he had Eriksen on the bench and left him out sure then he should be getting tons of criticism but we didn't have players to break down Burnley which is why we have consistently struggled against teams like that since we moved on quality players.

He has often been late with his substitutions and when he has made them I’ve been scratching my head. For example I think he was wrong to take Son off against City and it nearly cost us.

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I find fans always complain about how late managers make subs. It was the case under Poch, Nuno, I don't remember it under Jose but I think that is because

When his bench options are crap like Bergwijn, Scarlett, Royale I don't blame him for not getting them on because they all suck and are unlikely to change anything.

The one complaint I would have with him is Reguilon but I have to think it is a fitness issue. If not then that is clearly a major issue he has because no way should Sess start over him and definitely no reason Emerson should ever go on ahead of him either unless there is a fitness problem.

He was in charge of motivating the team last night yet the team looked anything but motivated and made Middlesbrough look like the PL team (the same Boro who lost on Saturday to bottom of the table Barnsley).

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Motivation is almost impossible for us as fans to determine from a manager. How do we know what was or wasn't said by Conte?

I also struggle to think that players should need a manager to motivate them in a one off game in the FA Cup. That should be easy as can be for anyone. And it is not like this is the first time these players have not looked motivated under multiple managers.

We were pathetic in 3 matches against Chelsea this season despite having Son, Kane and Moura up front. We played like cowards and again Conte was partly responsible for that.

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Moura sucks not sure what him being up front has to do with us having any expectations. The fact we are playing crap like him Chelsea shows why we lost. They have so much more talent than us not sure how that gets put on the manager.

I want him to do well cos I love Spurs but I genuinely think the jury is out at the moment
4/10 so far

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4/10 for a manager who has been here for 4 months with zero pre-season and no summer window is insanely harsh. The jury can be out on him but he has zero to prove. He has shown he can be very successful at multiple clubs. If he doesn't work here it is not down to him but those above him and the players.

 

[Zest]

This sort of shit negative football is not in Spurs dna. Just doesn’t suit us and so it doesn’t matter who the manager is we need to play a different way

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Have you watched his teams? Conte.

Have you not noticed the spluttering to life, of his formula, in the team?

Have you no comprehension of the state of our players, he inherited after rejecting in the summer?

Another 6months with Conte, those amongst this drabble who survive, will have had 6months more of muscle memory of what Conte's vision is.

This season is over, unless the team perform a Poch like 2nd season surge, why not embed the long term shape/structure/tactics, on the group so the 6-7 who are 1st team next season, are running much of their games on muscle memory, and can use the saved energy that yields on intense attacking, defending, whatever...

 

[KaneDomBadBoy]

Have you watched his teams? Conte.

Have you not noticed the spluttering to life, of his formula, in the team?

Have you no comprehension of the state of our players, he inherited after rejecting in the summer?

Another 6months with Conte, those amongst this drabble who survive, will have had 6months more of muscle memory of what Conte's vision is.

This season is over, unless the team perform a Poch like 2nd season surge, why not embed the long term shape/structure/tactics, on the group so the 6-7 who are 1st team next season, are running much of their games on muscle memory, and can use the saved energy that yields on intense attacking, defending, whatever...

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There are zero signs that any of his plans/tactics are working.

He's been shambolic of a manager.

At least under Nuno were losing to legit teams, not dogshit teams we should be beating 3-0.

 

[Deleted 15229]

Spot on. As much as I hate to say Jose was right, he was. New coach. Same players.

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But it's not.

There are 6 new players (7 if you include Skipp) from Jose's time. And Jose signed 6 players too. And only 3 are pretty much undroppable.

 

[Château NoHo]

Honest to god, I think Poch would be about the only high level coach that would take it simply because he’s got a soft spot in his heart for Spurs.

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Really?

I would think that there are only a handful of managers at a handful of clubs around Europe that wouldn't jump to Spurs if Levy offered the job.

This is a top 5-10 highest paid gig in the entire biz.

The Sun (I know) but you get the idea...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/17740939/premier-league-managers-salaries-arteta-Woolwich/

****Woolwich messes up the hyperlink.

Spurs set to pay Nuno £14m severance package... but could have paid him NOTHING

AXING Nuno Espirito Santo is set to cost Tottenham a whopping £14million. But they could have sacked him for free. A reported clause in Nuno’s contract would have allowed Spurs to get rid at the en…

www.the-sun.com

 

[matspur]

Have you watched his teams? Conte.

Have you not noticed the spluttering to life, of his formula, in the team?

Have you no comprehension of the state of our players, he inherited after rejecting in the summer?

Another 6months with Conte, those amongst this drabble who survive, will have had 6months more of muscle memory of what Conte's vision is.

This season is over, unless the team perform a Poch like 2nd season surge, why not embed the long term shape/structure/tactics, on the group so the 6-7 who are 1st team next season, are running much of their games on muscle memory, and can use the saved energy that yields on intense attacking, defending, whatever...

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Of course I’ve watched his teams. We have been diabolical recently on the whole. Haven’t seen much vision tbh. Certainly not last night. I’ll say it again- I want him to do well. But I’m not going to pretend he’s pulling up any trees like a lot of the Contards on here

 

[Igula]

Really?

I would think that there are only a handful of managers at a handful of clubs around Europe that wouldn't jump to Spurs if Levy offered the job.

This is a top 5-10 highest paid gig in the entire biz.

The Sun (I know) but you get the idea...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/17740939/premier-league-managers-salaries-arteta-Woolwich/

****Woolwich messes up the hyperlink.

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There are way more than a handful of managers that would not take the job.

There are the obvious top managers- Pep, Klopp, Tuchel, Allegri, Nagelsmann, Simeone.

I doubt that Ancellotti, Insigne, Emery, Rangnick would have any interest in leaving their jobs to come to us.

There are other younger managers that I think would wait for better jobs some who already have supposedly rejected us in the past- Ten Haag, Potter, Brenton, Gallardo

And then I am sure there are some that while Spurs would be a step up would have no interest in working with Levy, we likely don't know who these guys are but someone like Bielsa comes to mind.

Honestly would Moyes even leave WH to come to Spurs? Not really sure he would.

 

[Hampshire Spur]

Need several players in thst team who can take on players, have pace and a free kick expert. Why does kane think hes a free kick expert. Crap last night. Not sure on conte future. If we sneak top 4 then its ben a half decent season.

 

[deadleyledley]

Fancy turning up - on national TV too - to play a Championship side and not wanting your team to retain the ball. To dominate and then overcome Boro by virtue of the skills of a squad full of internationals.

I’ve only seen Conte’s Spurs attempt to play one way. If it was Allardyce the hipsters would be outraged. Whatever the respective styles, many these feted managers only seem to be able to play one way - Bielsa, Pep, Jose etc etc.

We’ve probably all had our say on Conte’s histrionics too. Suffice to say that last week’s outburst was a terrible look, given events away from football.

Turning this stale and stodgy Tottenham side around would be a huge achievement and a true test of managerial aptitude. Will he have the patience and flexibility to do it or will he follow the money and a trophy ready club?

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Great post.

The answer to the question at the end there is very likely to be no.

He will get frustrated with Levy ultimately.

This is what I feared when we signed him. Levy just made the same mistake as he did with mourinho. I will grant him that Conte has more going for him than Mourinho. But both demand big investment in the squad and Levy ultimately is not prepared to provide the level of investment that is needed. And this is the crucial part, because yes levy has invested big amounts of money but its not been spent effectively and more crucially levy is not prepared to take the risk that he will have to take financial hits on some players not cutting it in order to find the right group of players to start pulling the club back in the right direction.

Conte has said himself, the club vision is to buy younger players. Conte obviously doesn't agree with this entirely. So Conte is unlikely to be oversee this change.

I'm all for going back to younger players but then you need a manager who is happy to work with them and build them. I've lost all hope of ever challenging for a trophy under levy because a move to a younger team is signaling that you don't really aspire to challenge with the big boys. If we do this then just get a manager like Steve Cooper. He knows the young players in this country as well as anyone. Plays good football and would probably be happy to work under levy. That's the biggest factor now. Who wants to work for levy?

We are back in a cycle of trying to qualify for a European tour like we did with Arnesen/Jol. Recruit young players and try to bring a little excitement back for the fans. We've had this group of players far too long and the fans have lost connection with the players and therefore the football club because of it. That is the saddest part about all of this. I don't really care much for the results anymore. Normally I'd have been gutted losing yesterday, but it's par for the course now.

 

[Shotgunofmichalebrow]

If he leaves give Gallardo a four year deal. Let him buy young hungry players sell Kane and Son and try to get lightning to strike twice.

 

[Igula]

If he leaves give Gallardo a four year deal. Let him buy young hungry players sell Kane and Son and try to get lightning to strike twice.

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I think if we do that we need to get rid of Paratici as well. There is nothing in his background to indicate that he is a DOF that should be in charge of this type of plan.

I know that some people have said he would never work with Levy but bringing in Campos, giving him a set budget and then let him go would be the way to do it, but as we know no chance that Levy gives anyone the control needed to do things properly.

 

[Zest]

There are zero signs that any of his plans/tactics are working.

He's been shambolic of a manager.

At least under Nuno were losing to legit teams, not dogshit teams we should be beating 3-0.

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Kane in good form, need a target I guess.

5 League Titles in last 7 full seasons at clubs, wasn't it? Yet he's our issue...

 

[Zest]

Of course I’ve watched his teams. We have been diabolical recently on the whole. Haven’t seen much vision tbh. Certainly not last night. I’ll say it again- I want him to do well. But I’m not going to pretend he’s pulling up any trees like a lot of the Contards on here

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Do you remember this point, in Poch's first season (where he had pre-season to get his philosophy and mentality embedded into the squad, plus Kane at 21, Eriksen prime, Dembele prime, Vertonghen prime.

Yet, poch struggled and wobbled, until Mason belted one in and young fighting for it players in the squad took the open places.

Conte, IMO, is performing epic stuff, that's how bad our players are relative to his needs (he clearly told Levy this, hence the Italian interview where he announced 'the club has changed it's ambition' after we signed 2 letting 4 go)...