The Neymar Debate

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I absolutely despise this cunt and think he is disgustingly overated

Never scored more than 20 league goals in a season for PSG, taking all their penalties and playing against farmers

He’s a joke
 
Pathfinder said:
Footballing wise he's a top-players, yes....but doing his customary blatant dive in a meaningless friendly: Yuk!




...but from this point of view, it actually looks like a penalty so I won't blame the ref...


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I'd dispute that tbf...

In terms of viewing a "Top Player" through the lens of the Messi/Ronaldo era anyway.

As a forward 68 goals in 123 games at Barca, and then moving to the richest team in a farmer's league for his peak years, will always place an asterisk next to his name for me, and once he retires to go back to Brazil and live out his days shagging his sister, I doubt anybody is going to give him a second thought...

He's more hype than substance imo, and an irritating little cockwomble to boot...
 
I think we'd all like him in our squad if he was within our budget and available but to me he isn't anywhere near the great Brazilian players of the past like Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Careca, Romero. He is slightly above Robinho level.
 
MVP said:
I think we'd all like him in our squad if he was within our budget and available but to me he isn't anywhere near the great Brazilian players of the past like Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Careca, Romero. He is slightly above Robinho level.
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I agree with the first part (if it hadn't been for all his injuries, Ronaldo would have been mentioned in the same category as Messi, Zidane, etc.) but Neymar is way better than Robinho (who ended up playing in China and Turkia).
 
Pathfinder said:
I agree with the first part (if it hadn't been for all his injuries, Ronaldo would have been mentioned in the same category as Messi, Zidane, etc.) but Neymar is way better than Robinho (who ended up playing in China and Turkia).
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To me he is in that category, he has made world class players look like fools, I loved watching him play. As for Neymar, I'm sure if he gets paid a shit ton he win end up playing in China too.
 
Larry David said:
I absolutely despise this cunt and think he is disgustingly overated

Never scored more than 20 league goals in a season for PSG, taking all their penalties and playing against farmers

He’s a joke
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Go look at his appearances vs goals/assists ... he's had bad injuries in Ligue 1. In 20 appearances he scored 19 and assisted 13.. most seasons he's like a couple of goals away from a goal a game and also has a bunch of assists.

In that time his goal to game in the CL has also been up there with the world's best, as well as being 3 off being Brazil's all time top scorer. He's been a sensational footballer, just flaky/injury prone.
 
VirginiaSpur said:
He's a fuckboi.

Him and Pogba are the most overrated players in today's game.
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Shadydan said:
He'd become a total distraction if we had him, sure he's great to watch but not a team player.
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I said he'd improve us. No comment on his character.

We all say we are crying for a creative player to supplement our squad. He's very creative.

I'm not saying I want him, I'm saying he'd improve us massively. Guaranteed numbers.

When not injured he puts the numbers up.

One thing is for certain, he's better than Maddinson and people seem to be keen on him. A guy who has before said he hates Spurs. But Neymar is worse?
 
Andy Sinton said:
I said he'd improve us. No comment on his character.

We all say we are crying for a creative player to supplement our squad. He's very creative.

I'm not saying I want him, I'm saying he'd improve us massively. Guaranteed numbers.

When not injured he puts the numbers up.

One thing is for certain, he's better than Maddinson and people seem to be keen on him. A guy who has before said he hates Spurs. But Neymar is worse?
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Firstly, I think it's pretty clear he'd never come here. The wage demands would be disgusting & he's one of the biggest ego's in football. He'll only player for a super club.

But he gets disrespected a lot as a footballer, probably because personality wise he's not the most loveable, and going to PSG cost him the limelight. But when he's been able to play he's mostly been sensational.

His only big issue overall at PSG has been injuries. He'd be in ridiculous form scoring and assisting every game & tearing up CL games, and then get a big injury and miss the whole of the CL knockouts. Happened numerous times.
 
Raumdeuterz said:
Firstly, I think it's pretty clear he'd never come here. The wage demands would be disgusting & he's one of the biggest ego's in football. He'll only player for a super club.

But he gets disrespected a lot as a footballer, probably because personality wise he's not the most loveable, and going to PSG cost him the limelight. But when he's been able to play he's mostly been sensational.

His only big issue overall at PSG has been injuries. He'd be in ridiculous form scoring and assisting every game & tearing up CL games, and then get a big injury and miss the whole of the CL knockouts. Happened numerous times.
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He's a very good player, hence the main slights are his character.

People are saying he's overrated but no one actually seems to rate him, so I'm not sure how that works.

Kind of like Woolwich fans calling Spurs fans gloryhunters then saying we win no trophies.

I've been reading through the transfer thread and the consensus is James Maddinson would improve us. But Neymar wouldn't. So they're saying James Maddison is better than Neymar. Which is quite funny.
 
Andy Sinton said:
I said he'd improve us. No comment on his character.

We all say we are crying for a creative player to supplement our squad. He's very creative.

I'm not saying I want him, I'm saying he'd improve us massively. Guaranteed numbers.

When not injured he puts the numbers up.

One thing is for certain, he's better than Maddinson and people seem to be keen on him. A guy who has before said he hates Spurs. But Neymar is worse?
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Well yeah on paper or on FIFA he proves us but if he plays for himself, doesn't tract back, doesn't press then it does nothing for us, typifies the anti-Conte player perfectly.

Just because he has talent doesn't mean he'll fit in our team, there's not many team nowadays who take players like Neymar purely because in this era we've moved on from carrying those sort of players and now require hard workers and grafters especially in the forward positions.
 
Andy Sinton said:
He's a very good player, hence the main slights are his character.

People are saying he's overrated but no one actually seems to rate him, so I'm not sure how that works.

Kind of like Woolwich fans calling Spurs fans gloryhunters then saying we win no trophies.

I've been reading through the transfer thread and the consensus is James Maddinson would improve us. But Neymar wouldn't. So they're saying James Maddison is better than Neymar. Which is quite funny.
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You can 100% tell some people don't actually watch him, they just base their opinions on him from cliches about his attitude. Apparently he doesn't work hard/press even though he was easily their best presser other than Di Maria for years.

Tuchel adored him and they had a great relationship, do Tuchel teams not press? He put in more effort than Mbappe most weeks, would Mbappe not be able to play for top sides?

Like I said .. injury record and ego are definite issues. But the invention that he's some lazy player who won't track back or w/e is just that, an invention.
 
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Raumdeuterz said:
You can 100% tell some people don't actually watch him, they just base their opinions on him from cliches about his attitude. Apparently he doesn't work hard/press even though he was easily their best presser other than Di Maria for years.

Tuchel adored him and they had a great relationship, do Tuchel teams not press? He put in more effort than Mbappe most weeks, would Mbappe not be able to play for top sides?

Like I said .. injury record and ego are definite issues. But the invention that he's some lazy player who won't track back or w/e is just that, an invention.
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Get their information on Twitter reviews.

Messi has never pressed in his life. He must be overrated.
 
Andy Sinton said:
Get their information on Twitter reviews.

Messi has never pressed in his life. He must be overrated.
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I find this a tad ironic seeing as you're so certain he'd improves us but ignoring very basic intangibles as to why he wouldn't fit in our team, your arguments are coming across pretty naive it has to be said.
 
I honestly think in the last 15 years he is the only player that could have broken the duopoly if he had the right mindset

Talent-wise in the very very top drawer but peŕsonality of a spoilt brat even more than Ronaldo but actually not more self-serving.
 
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