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Transfers Summer 2022 Transfer Thread.

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I know there's a strong contingent of supporters who want rid of Moura....badly.

But to replace him with Traore would be madness.
Traore:
162 appearances, 8 Goals, 14 assists, 28% shooting accuracy, 9 big chances missed, 14.75 passes per match, 22 big chances created, 509 crosses.

Moura:
139 appearances, 19 goals, 15 assists, 34% shooting accuracy, 19 big chances missed. 20.94 passes per match, 21 big chances created, 100 crosses,

Moura missed more big chances, but still has a better shooting accuracy, completes more passes, and created 1 fewer big chance despite 500 fewer crosses. While they're both on the shorter side, Moura is better in the air, both offensively and defensively.

If you're thinking of Adama as RWB, in addition to his terrible crosses, he's 33 more fouls (135 - 102), 37 fewer tackles (153-116), 44 fewer interceptions (78-34), 43 fewer clearances (79-36), and 40 fewer headed clearances (59-19). Despite having 23 more appearances.

Unfortunately for Moura he dribbles out of, but back into trouble too often, and has missed a good number of big chances. That's the stuff that's easy to see/remember....

But I don't think he gets enough credit for all the other work he puts in. Flawed certainly, and I wouldn't want him starting, but just don't think he deserves the amount of stick he gets here.
Still don’t get this talk of Adama? Thought that all died of death last season luckily. Why do we need to buy someone who is generally crap and convert to rwb? We would have 4 on our books plus Lucas. We have just bought an up and coming player for this role why not just develop him. Instead of spending more money which could be used elsewhere on a player who has played in that position and whose crosses are worse than royals.
 
Goes without saying but Daniel James would be incredibly underwhelming. Nippy, fine mid-table squad player.

ASM won't happen but would be incredibly exciting. Adama Traore would be a useful option to have, I think Conte would get more out of him than previous coaches have managed, but understand people who dislike the idea.

Anthony Gordon is probably more talented than some people give him credit for when they scoff at the pricetag. Haven't a clue where we go, personally think Paqueta would be interesting. The SSN ticker just mentioned our interest in Jack Harrison,
 
ASM plays on the left and we're more than covered on that side.
ASM doesn't add the option of creative midfield play that most people are crying about.
ASM isn't particularly potent in front of goal.
ASM would cost a fucking fortune..... NC have no need to sell anyone.
ASM is a MOTD/highlights player (Barcodes will attest to that).


Of those linked; i'd much much much rather take a chance on Malinovskyi..... Goals... Assists.... RW.... AM.....
Fair point on him being a LW, we have Rich now so should prioritise a RW.

Malinovskyi can't start regularly for Atalanta so would be quite risk- a bit underwhelming.

I'm beginning to think we should just keep Gil. See how he develops under a Conte training regime. If Conte really disliked him, he'd have left him out of the pre-season squad like he did to many others.
 
Fair point on him being a LW, we have Rich now so should prioritise a RW.

Malinovskyi can't start regularly for Atalanta so would be quite risk-

Who cares..... Kulu wasn't starting either.

He's productive despite that and has the versatility to tick the boxes that until 2 days ago most thought we needed.

a bit underwhelming.

Not as underwhelming as Traore-deluxe.

I'm beginning to think we should just keep Gil. See how he develops under a Conte training regime. If Conte really disliked him, he'd have left him out of the pre-season squad like he did to many others.

Just seems to me that people are flip-flopping about what they actually want (shock horror! : P ).

Are few ropey tweets about James & ASM and suddenly peeps are fixated with pacey dribblers all over again and the idea of a creative/productive MF for plan B goes flying out of the window.
 
Not necessarily disagreeing with you in my reply here.

Lage started a left-footed, left-winger, Pedro Neto, at RWB against us, a universally acknowledged stronger team, away, and he and they both had a pretty decent game against us. Why shouldn't Perisic be able to do the same thing (RWB) better than Neto, who barely has any previous experience at WB?

Conte also has switched to a 4-2-3-1 when we were chasing against Chelsea, so he has shown the willingness and flexibility to do exactly what you say. You are right though- it's doubtful he ever starts a back 4 while with us. We'd have to be decimated by injuries, suspensions, or otherwise for it to happen- he's clearly a man that likes a back 3.

I'd say our most obvious area of need right now is at RWB. Emerson just does not look dangerous when the opp sits back and dares him to hit a cross or make a pass. Hes not that great at taking his man on either, though he is a decent runner in the open field. Play dead-end'ed with him several times versus Wolves, which was of course disappointing. Any one goal victories are too close to consider a comfortable win; we need to be aiming to do better.

I'd like to think that Spence is the answer, but Conte can't start him soon enough so we can find out if he actually is the eventual answer within this window. So we're kind of in a pickle, having gambled, and in process of gambling on the future right now, not knowing if it will pan out. If we're looking for attacking balance and threat, I still think its worth trying Persisic at RWB at least until we can figure out if Spence is the answer.
Aggrevwith most of what you say but if we play perisic at rwb then that means we have to play sess at LWB. His not proved it yet that he be successful in that role. I’d rather keep perisic at LWB and play spence at rwb. Surely he is good enough to play v forest this weekend? After all he played with most of them in the champo.
 
Who cares..... Kulu wasn't starting either.

He's productive despite that and has the versatility to tick the boxes that until 2 days ago most thought we needed.
Kulu was a young talent who wasn't getting in Juve team who bought some established stars.
I think that's different from a 29yo who is seen as too inconsistent to start regularly for Atalanta.

Not as underwhelming as Traore-deluxe.
ASM is a better player than Malinovsky. The only reason we may prefer the latter is because we are stronger at LW than RW in terms of depth already. (Rich>Lucas).

Just seems to me that people are flip-flopping about what they actually want (shock horror! : P ).

Are few ropey tweets about James & ASM and suddenly peeps are fixated with pacey dribblers all over again and the idea of a creative/productive MF for plan B goes flying out of the window.
I wanted Maddison too, but it's clear that Conte isn't keen on a creative mid who can convert us to 352. Instead he wants to replace Gil with another winger and stick to 343.
 
Young players: Kulu, Emerson, Sessengon.

25 or under: Romero, Bentancur, Bissouma

Recently signed: Spence, Sarr, Udogie, Gil

Wanted: Bastoni (23)


He's not reluctant to play his new players...... Bissouma, Perisic & Lenglet have missed much of pre-season for various reasons.

Richarlison has already been successfully played as an impact sub.
Perisic is 33 and Langley is 27. Biss is PL experienced now having had the chance at Brighton. Why don’t we give some of the younger players we have bought a chance. We can’t keep buying players then say their not ready and loan them only to buy someone else to replace them! That surely is not sustainable!
 
Totally said it last season asm is the sort of exciting player we have been crying out for. Conte doesn’t want to work on gil and Lucas our only other player who tries to beat people is not really in favour. I really don’t like the way our squad is being developed with all theseQuasi WBs and defenders. We needed a hardman in CM and quality attacking CM. The only players we have bought that are any good are Biss and perisic. Spence looks good as well but conte would rather play to donkeys who never once try to beat their man ahead of him.

ASM is not a player we need with Son and Richarlison covering left forward - both light years beyond ASM.

Currently we have Kulusevski as our creative AM and RW , and no real back up.

We have 4 very credible CM's in Bissouma, Bentancur, Hojbjerg and Skipp - all capable as playing in a DM type role with limited creativity - its clear a purely creative CM CANNOT work in a CM2 so I have no clue why you want one. At best if Conte moves for the odd game to play a CM3 (which probably means no CB 3 so its a huge change for the team) so why are we going to spend a fortune for a player who isn't going to play very much ?

And back to basics if we have a 23 or 24 man squad (7 Locally trained players under UEFA rules plus 17 Overseas trained) which means 2 players for each position plus a 3rtd GK, there is no space to slot in a player 'just in case Maureen likes them'.

So in Conte's squad the big missing piece is a 6th forward, with Kane and Son covered by Richarlison and Moura that leaves the creative forward, Kulusevski without cover. And that is what needs to be brought in now - unless we are convinced Gil can cover that position, and so far that is far from clear. If we can find a player who can rotate with Kulusevski (the main priority) and also play a creative CM role in a CM2 without reducing the defensive strength, great. But we haven't found one yet

What is it that you do not understand ?
 
Kulu was a young talent who wasn't getting in Juve team who bought some established stars.
I think that's different from a 29yo who is seen as too inconsistent to start regularly for Atalanta.

Last season:

Malinevsky: Apps 41 / Starts 28 / 10 G / 7 A
ASM: Apps 37 / Starts 32 / 5G / 5A

ASM is a better player than Malinovsky. The only reason we may prefer the latter is because we are stronger at LW than RW in terms of depth already. (Rich>Lucas).

Sorry mate.... That's baseless rhetoric.

He almost exclusively plays in the middle.

If we're interested in RM it's down his skillset which is vastly different to ASM.
 
I know there's a strong contingent of supporters who want rid of Moura....badly.

But to replace him with Traore would be madness.
Traore:
162 appearances, 8 Goals, 14 assists, 28% shooting accuracy, 9 big chances missed, 14.75 passes per match, 22 big chances created, 509 crosses.

Moura:
139 appearances, 19 goals, 15 assists, 34% shooting accuracy, 19 big chances missed. 20.94 passes per match, 21 big chances created, 100 crosses,

Moura missed more big chances, but still has a better shooting accuracy, completes more passes, and created 1 fewer big chance despite 500 fewer crosses. While they're both on the shorter side, Moura is better in the air, both offensively and defensively.

If you're thinking of Adama as RWB, in addition to his terrible crosses, he's 33 more fouls (135 - 102), 37 fewer tackles (153-116), 44 fewer interceptions (78-34), 43 fewer clearances (79-36), and 40 fewer headed clearances (59-19). Despite having 23 more appearances.

Unfortunately for Moura he dribbles out of, but back into trouble too often, and has missed a good number of big chances. That's the stuff that's easy to see/remember....

But I don't think he gets enough credit for all the other work he puts in. Flawed certainly, and I wouldn't want him starting, but just don't think he deserves the amount of stick he gets here.

Moura is done, shot, finished, write any word you want but baring injury, suspension, Covid, an earthquake of an invasion from a foreign country he will never start for us ever again.

That is the case and so he needs replacing.

One game worth a shit he turned up. One.
 
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Wish that £60M was spent on exactly that type of player and then get a young CF who can be developed. However Conte doesn’t really to work on developing players he wants ready made players although he seems aversevto using any of them for some reason based on team selection and subs.

How many times have we been down that road?

Conte doesn't do "development" and those managers who have actually developed who as a centre forward?

Kane made his debut ten years ago last weekend. Since then who has stepped up from our youths or a player brought in to develop?

Who?

Name one?
 
Perisic is 33 and Langley is 27.

Pure whataboutery whch doesn't dispel my retort.

Biss is PL experienced now having had the chance at Brighton.

So? Experience is a bad thing?

Why don’t we give some of the younger players we have bought a chance.

You mean like Emerson & Sess who were considered fit for the scrapheap?

Kulu the Reject?

Skipp revving up to return.

We can’t keep buying players then say their not ready and loan them only to buy someone else to replace them! That surely is not sustainable!

Plenty of clubs buy young players knowing that they won't drop straight into the first XI.......

You're just throwing random shit at the wall here and none of it is sticking.

Your anti-Conte shit is transparent and tiresome.


Bore off.
 
Last season:

Malinevsky: Apps 41 / Starts 28 / 10 G / 7 A
ASM: Apps 37 / Starts 32 / 5G / 5A



Sorry mate.... That's baseless rhetoric.

He almost exclusively plays in the middle.

If we're interested in RM it's down his skillset which is vastly different to ASM.
Yes but ASM playing in a harder league in a worse league.
ASM's dribbling is also far superior, it has the X-factor.

Anyway this argument is moot as I agree we do not need a LW, so ASM not worth it. Right now I'm of the opinion we should keep Gil.
 
ASM is not a player we need with Son and Richarlison covering left forward - both light years beyond ASM.

Currently we have Kulusevski as our creative AM and RW , and no real back up.

We have 4 very credible CM's in Bissouma, Bentancur, Hojbjerg and Skipp - all capable as playing in a DM type role with limited creativity - its clear a purely creative CM CANNOT work in a CM2 so I have no clue why you want one. At best if Conte moves for the odd game to play a CM3 (which probably means no CB 3 so its a huge change for the team) so why are we going to spend a fortune for a player who isn't going to play very much ?

And back to basics if we have a 23 or 24 man squad (7 Locally trained players under UEFA rules plus 17 Overseas trained) which means 2 players for each position plus a 3rtd GK, there is no space to slot in a player 'just in case Maureen likes them'.

So in Conte's squad the big missing piece is a 6th forward, with Kane and Son covered by Richarlison and Moura that leaves the creative forward, Kulusevski without cover. And that is what needs to be brought in now - unless we are convinced Gil can cover that position, and so far that is far from clear. If we can find a player who can rotate with Kulusevski (the main priority) and also play a creative CM role in a CM2 without reducing the defensive strength, great. But we haven't found one yet

What is it that you do not understand ?

John Thomas failing to understand anything about squad building

Only interested in scoring points

Quelle surprise for another 'disagree' for an analysis of the squad without explanation.

Hates everyone being reminded of his APPALLING previous lack of judgement.
 
Yes but ASM playing in a harder league in a worse league.
ASM's dribbling is also far superior, it has the X-factor.

Anyway this argument is moot as I agree we do not need a LW, so ASM not worth it. Right now I'm of the opinion we should keep Gil.

I also understand Malinovski is very much a set piece guy .. dunno how much that has translated in to g/a but if he's on all of them then it makes sense he'd outproduce ASM. I'd be more interested in seeing how high he ranks on 'big chances created/xA' from open play.
 
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