Management Next Manager Poll (poll reset 11/04/23)

[Starks]

Still think it has Nagelsmann.

All of these Slots and Postecoglous play one way and only one way.

Nagelsmann has the flexibility to play 3 atb, 4atb, inverted FBs, attacking, and defensive. He's just a good coach.

Every time I hear about Slot or Posty being Pep disciples, I feel like they are just marketing tools for the City Football Group. It's the same reason Pep heaps praise on De Zerbi, because he plays his style but with his own tweak.

Spurs have a history of playing attacking football since way before Pep. Why not just go balls out for Nagelsmann and build him as part of our own brand of football???

Why do you have to worship to CFG gods to be "given" a seat at the table?

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FYI, Postecoglu also has history playing 3 at the back. He used to play a pretty fluid 3241 whereas now he plays a 433 so it wouldn't surprise me that if he did come to Spurs, he'd end up using some kind of hybrid to allow Porro (and/or Udogie) to get forward and not feel too open behind them.

Personally, I have a feeling that Nagelsmann just doesn't want to come to Spurs. Why would he?

 

[pleb]

I'm sure Levy wants the club to succeed, as you say it makes him richer.

But I think he has lost touch on the football side over the past few years, as much as he ever had it. The club won't succeed with his terrible football decisions and he has too much of an ego to quit, in my opinion. His identity is tied into being the man who runs Spurs.

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If Levy wants the club to succeed he has to appoint an Aussie to manage it!
(I bet that pisses some of you off)

 

[Pathfinder]

The purpose is possession to the point the opponents fall a sleep and than try to score.

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Tell that to Pep (and Arteta)....

 

[Bazali]

If Levy wants the club to succeed he has to appoint an Aussie to manage it!
(I bet that pisses some of you off)

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Who in particular?

 

[Richard Arlison]

FYI, Postecoglu also has history playing 3 at the back. He used to play a pretty fluid 3241 whereas now he plays a 433 so it wouldn't surprise me that if he did come to Spurs, he'd end up using some kind of hybrid to allow Porro (and/or Udogie) to get forward and not feel too open behind them.

Personally, I have a feeling that Nagelsmann just doesn't want to come to Spurs. Why would he?

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Why wouldn't he?

We are the perfect fit for him and he's just been fired for nothing by a giant club in Bayern.

All this media spin about managers not wanting to come here is just storyline stuff to fill columns.

I used to think at least the Athletic guys like Pitt-Brooke and Eccleshare had real sources and when they said stuff like this it had some basis.

After Slot-Gate it seems they are just making shit up as well. They probably just figured it's a believable narrative to go with because we are a mess right now.

 

[Deleted member 15482]

Now he will be a fucking car crash. I can not say this enough. Get a progressive D.O.F and get Gallardo. A bloke with the charisma brains and acumen to do the unthinkable a win us something. Even if he needs a translator it's worth the risk.

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I think Enrique will be fine, just get him prime Messi, Suarez and Neymar upfront and it will work.

 

[Starks]

Why wouldn't he?

We are the perfect fit for him and he's just been fired for nothing by a giant club in Bayern.

All this media spin about managers not wanting to come here is just storyline stuff to fill columns.

I used to think at least the Athletic guys like Pitt-Brooke and Eccleshare had real sources and when they said stuff like this it had some basis.

After Slot-Gate it seems they are just making shit up as well. They probably just figured it's a believable narrative to go with because we are a mess right now.

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Because I think he has a bit more ambition, if I am honest with you.

I have a feeling his demands will be ridiculously high (Which they ultimately should be), which we either won't grant him or we'll lie to him, tell him we will and simply won't which will lead Nagelsmann to eventually fall out with the board due to broken promises.

If you were Nagelsmann, fresh off a Bayern sacking (Which as you say, was pretty harsh), why would you not wait it out for a real top club to be free? He's 35 years old.

 

[nicoclaesen]

Because I think he has a bit more ambition, if I am honest with you.

I have a feeling his demands will be ridiculously high (Which they ultimately should be), which we either won't grant him or we'll lie to him, tell him we will and simply won't which will lead Nagelsmann to eventually fall out with the board due to broken promises.

If you were Nagelsmann, fresh off a Bayern sacking (Which as you say, was pretty harsh), why would you not wait it out for a real top club to be free? He's 35 years old.

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I’m pretty sure he’ll be missing being in the game. As you say he’s 35 and he’s probably waiting for the right club but he’s got so many years that the big jobs will come round for him. Tottenham would be a hit or miss for him. It could take him to legendary status or fuck him. He’s probably thinking it’ll fuck him

 

[Starks]

I’m pretty sure he’ll be missing being in the game. As you say he’s 35 and he’s probably waiting for the right club but he’s got so many years that the big jobs will come round for him. Tottenham would be a hit or miss for him. It could take him to legendary status or fuck him. He’s probably thinking it’ll fuck him

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I think that'll likely be on his mind too.

He does strike me as someone who's confident in his own abilities but he'd have looked at Mourinho coming in, not getting what he wanted, sacked before a cup final. Conte coming in, not getting what he wanted, sacked and think to himself they couldn't even back two of the best managers of the last 15 years, why would they suddenly back me?

 

[SpursDNA]

Personally, I have a feeling that Nagelsmann just doesn't want to come to Spurs. Why would he?

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Why wouldn't he?

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Gentlemen Gentlemen - We don’t want Nagelsman. Our Board rejected HIM first so we don’t want him. OK - Got it?

Doesn’t matter whether he wants to come to Spurs or not (and Nagelsman undoubtedly is Desperate to coach at Hotspur Way). But Donna Cullen has judged Nagelsman as not good enough so end of discussion. WE don’t want HIM.

 

[Matt1882]

Youre not wrong about Celtic level, finances, stature etc. But thats got nothing to do with his coaching. He hasn't just gone out, signed the best players for that league and told them to go out there and run around abit because they're a class above.

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It's much easier to implement a style of football when the opposition hasn't got a chance

Big Sam could go and win the league with Celtic. That doesn't automatically make him a good coach. Postecoglu winning the treble this season doesn't signify he's a good coach, however watching his team play football confirms he's a good coach.

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I'd be interested to see what a traditional bottom half coach from the PL could do with Celtic. You can't play that sort of football there, so it's interesting to see if they can be the team on top instead

Just like I imagine watching Pochettino with a relegation threatened Espanyol showed he was a good coach despite their results, because a relegation threatened Southampton took a gamble on him and the rest is history.

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This is it for me. A Poch, De Zerbi or even Slot have elevated teams that aren't known for good football or doing much at all. Ange hasn't. He's taken a team that usually wins the treable and.....done the same.

Perhaps. And so could Nagelsmann. I've seen plenty of promising young managers come to this country and absolutely flop.

Nothing a guarantee.

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Not Guarantee, but Nagelsmann made all his teams better IMO, even Bayern.

De Zerbi could well indeed flop next season. He's going to have to juggle Prem football with European football with a squad that's no where near really big enough for it. Nothings a guarantee.

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BIG ask for Brighton, but if they go into next season with a weak, small squad, it's barely his fault unless he chose to do that.

You realise he spotted Mitoma right? And was close to signing him for Celtic but Brighton of course have better resources and pull due to the Premier League.

Would you say he wouldn't have a hope in yells chance of improving Spurs?

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Maybe. He may be the best player Ange knows though and was nowhere near it. It's obviously not a secret as Brighton scouted him too. We need to be more like them, much to people's distain.

Ten Haag was 52 years old before he got a chance at arguably the biggest club in the world.

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10 years at Ajax and performed, regularly, at the highest level in the CL.
Vs arse end of the southern hemisphere, and Scotland

 

[ElTel]

If we don't get Nagelsmann then il be delighted with the Postman Ange. Both offer the type of football we have been craving for years. Success is not guaranteed but exciting football is.

 

[Ozzz]

This is it for me. A Poch, De Zerbi or even Slot have elevated teams that aren't known for good football or doing much at all. Ange hasn't. He's taken a team that usually wins the treable and.....done the same.

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Ange took on Brisbane Roar when they were a total basket case and turned them - in one season - into what many say is still the finest A League side ever.

Clearly there's no comparison between the EPL and AL but the point is... Ange achieved that massive turn around in a salary capped league. He couldn't buy the success - he had to coach it.

 

[Notabadsquad]

It's like purdah all this.

 

[Starks]

It's much easier to implement a style of football when the opposition hasn't got a chance

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That's why we've done so well against lower league teams in recent years, is it?

It's actually pretty difficult to implement a style of football across a squad of players if they're not willing to learn and don't believe in what you do. It's not particularly hard to become a coach. Anyone can go and get their coaching badges. But implementing them across a squad of footballers is the hard part and he's achieved that at every club he's been at.

I'd be interested to see what a traditional bottom half coach from the PL could do with Celtic. You can't play that sort of football there, so it's interesting to see if they can be the team on top instead

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We've seen a bottom half coach from the PL manage Celtic (Strachan) and they won things. Again, winning stuff in those sort of leagues isn't the point. Because as you've rightfully pointed out, Celtic are one of two big clubs in that league with better resources and finances than the rest of the teams. It's how you do it and Ange has done it better than anyone in terms of football style and being able to implement his coaching on this group of players.

This is it for me. A Poch, De Zerbi or even Slot have elevated teams that aren't known for good football or doing much at all. Ange hasn't. He's taken a team that usually wins the treable and.....done the same.

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And I guess only the top leagues count for you, right? Because Ange took over Brisbane Roar in 2009 and by the end of the 2010/11 season had won them their first ever league title, losing just one game and going on a 36 game unbeaten run. Something that had never been done before in the leagues history. They then became the first team to win the league back to back the following year...

He went and managed the Australian national team. He lead them to an Asian Cup win, their first ever beating Son Heung-Mins South Korea in the final...

He then went to the Japanese league where he took over Yokohama Marinos. Guess what? He lead them to their first title in 15 years. Before going to a Celtic team that finished 25 points behind Rangers (The worst in 50 years) and just had their first season without a trophy in a decade and had them playing the best football they've likely ever had and won the league twice in a row and won every domestic cup they've had bar one (With a final coming up next week to win a treble)

Sure, they are just the Australian, Japanese and Scottish Leagues and no they don't compare to the top leagues but you can't belittle those achievements. Teams first titles, international success, he wins every where he's ever been and really before Celtic, not at the biggest and best clubs in that particular league.

Not Guarantee, but Nagelsmann made all his teams better IMO, even Bayern.

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Nagelsmanns Bayern were definitely not an improvement on Hansi Flicks Bayern Munich.

Maybe. He may be the best player Ange knows though and was nowhere near it. It's obviously not a secret as Brighton scouted him too. We need to be more like them, much to people's distain.

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He may be. He may not be. He's got an extensive knowledge of the Asian market though and it's benefited him at Celtic big time. Not saying he'll come here and unearth a load of Asian gems, but he shows he has a good eye for talent when no one bar Brighton (who as we know have a good eye for talent) were the only other team after him.

10 years at Ajax and performed, regularly, at the highest level in the CL.
Vs arse end of the southern hemisphere, and Scotland

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Right, but that wasn't what you said. You mentioned age. Ten Haag was in his 50s before any big club from a big league was willing to actually give him a chance. Like you said, he was at Ajax for a decade. Why?

 

[Elias]

After Slot-Gate it seems they are just making shit up as well. They probably just figured it's a believable narrative to go with because we are a mess right now.

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Occasionally, journalists do just make up shit. But it usually catches up with the serial offending hacks.

It's correct that there's more scope for making up shite in sports journalism than say investigative journalism, where every last comma has to be endlessly lawyered, but my strong sense is that most of what these sports journos report is based on things they have been told.

So, the task of the journalist is to assess the value of what they've been told. Eg if it's from an agent, are they just trying to get their client a lucrative move?

Fabrizio Romano gets nearly all his info from agents, and DoFs like Paratici trying to manipulate the market. But he still gets occasional bylines in the Grauniad as the journalistic author of a piece. As a card-carrying member of the NUJ, I'm not sure I approve.

With Slot, my working hypothesis is that Levy & Munn fucked up the due diligence on the release fee. They were convinced he wanted to come & believed they could get him out of Feyonoord for a few million. "Sources close to Spurs" then briefed this to various journalists to placate the fanbase about an imminent new head coach.

And it went belly up.

If I'm correct, the hacks were accurately reporting what they had been told. The clusterfuck belong to Levy & Munn.

 

[Richard Arlison]

Occasionally, journalists do just make up shit. But it usually catches up with the serial offending hacks.

It's correct that there's more scope for making up shite in sports journalism than say investigative journalism, where every last comma has to be endlessly lawyered, but my strong sense is that most of what these sports journos report is based on things they have been told.

So, the task of the journalist is to assess the value of what they've been told. Eg if it's from an agent, are they just trying to get their client a lucrative move?

Fabrizio Romano gets nearly all his info from agents, and DoFs like Paratici trying to manipulate the market. But he still gets occasional bylines in the Grauniad as the journalistic author of a piece. As a card-carrying member of the NUJ, I'm not sure I approve.

With Slot, my working hypothesis is that Levy & Munn fucked up the due diligence on the release fee. They were convinced he wanted to come & believed they could get him out of Feyonoord for a few million. "Sources close to Spurs" then briefed this to various journalists to placate the fanbase about an imminent new head coach.

And it went belly up.

If I'm correct, the hacks were accurately reporting what they had been told. The clusterfuck belong to Levy & Munn.

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Always follow the incentives.

What incentive did Slot have to say that no club approached Feyenoord or asked about a buyout? Especially after confirming his buyout had been removed.

And if he was further down the line with Spurs and in line for a massive pay rise, what incentive did he have to sign the extension so quickly?

Occams Razor is the journalists got played by Slots agent and Feyenoord’s DOF.

 

[Richard Arlison]

Gentlemen Gentlemen - We don’t want Nagelsman. Our Board rejected HIM first so we don’t want him. OK - Got it?

Doesn’t matter whether he wants to come to Spurs or not (and Nagelsman undoubtedly is Desperate to coach at Hotspur Way). But Donna Cullen has judged Nagelsman as not good enough so end of discussion. WE don’t want HIM.

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Yes, of course. You are right.my bad

 

[Elias]

Always follow the incentives.

What incentive did Slot have to say that no club approached Feyenoord or asked about a buyout? Especially after confirming his buyout had been removed.

And if he was further down the line with Spurs and in line for a massive pay rise, what incentive did he have to sign the extension so quickly?

Occams Razor is the journalists got played by Slots agent and Feyenoord’s DOF.

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It's entirely possible Slot's agent was playing both Levy/Munn & Feyonoord.

The buyout for Slot was next summer, so it was irrelevant to our negotiations right now..

A week ago, Slot publicly said: "The next step will not be another club in Holland, if that is the next step and if I fail completely in the upcoming few years.
"The normal next step would be to go abroad and I've always said the best league in the world is the Premier League but when it comes to Italy you can see there are a few clubs playing in European finals now. There are more countries where it is interesting to go to in the future, but the Premier League is the biggest league in the world, that is clear."

So, if Slot was prepared to speak with forked tongue on the record, you can bet his agent was talking all kinds of shite off the record.

 

[AlabamaSpur]

Oliver Khan has gotten the sack at Bayern. We may end up with Tuchel after all