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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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So they are saying his press is super aggressive and works in Scotland because they don't have great build up teams but it did get cooked a bit in the CL and would most likely get cooked in the Prem?
Might spell the end for Hojbjerg….
Would that be bad?
This is a really good analytical thread by Mackenzie. It explains the limitations of Ange’s high press with respect to Celtic’s matches against better European opposition as opposed to the ‘pub league team and manager’ cliches spouted by his detractors here.
It DOES give me cause for concern along with his apparent lack of desire to integrate youngsters. I do wonder if he has a plan B or can develop a plan B against teams who can beat his press. Still happy to give him the chance to find out.
There is no way he will be coming to Spurs expecting to work like he did at Celtic. We are getting a DoF and he will have to work under him. He did have one at Yokohama, so probably something not foreign to him.
nah still think this will be shitshoiw
anyone who believes different well levy has wrapped you all up in his finger
anyone who believes different well levy has wrapped you all up in his finger
Ok, but it’s not like it was a flying success. It was 2 months which isn’t a good length.
That’s fair. Argentina is obviously a desirable position.
He didn’t advance out of the group stage of the 2002 WC, which you conveniently left out. That’s got to be disappointing for Argentina. Is winning the Olympics significant? No one seems to field real teams nowadays but I don’t remember back then.
Ok, but it doesn’t mean he had much experience in big leagues. It’s fair to say their experience was comparable at the time (2 months vs 0).
Well yeah it’s a UEFA pro license, so why would he have one if he never coached in UEFA? Not sure if you were being intentionally misleading there so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.He didn't even have a pro licence when he went to Celtic.
New Celtic boss Ange Postecoglou avoids Pro Licence sweat after UEFA recognition
NEW Celtic boss Ange Postecoglou won’t have to sweat over not having his UEFA Pro Licence as had been initially feared. Europe’s governing body confirmed recently that the Aussie doesn’t have the r…www.thescottishsun.co.uk
No offense but you are doing the same thing.
Not at all
Thanks.
I was about to make the same points — more or less — particularly the rather silly pojnt about a UEFA license.
The idea that a coach with ‘big 5 league experience’ (especially someone who has a win percentage of less than 33% — Poch) or one with two month’s experience at a mediocre club is somehow automatically a better candidate than someone with Ange’s résumé strikes me as arrogant to say the least.
pretty much.
Is he a Doner or Shish man?
Lamb or chicken?
We need the facts before we can judge him.
Lamb or chicken?
We need the facts before we can judge him.
Didn't take long for them to show their true colours. Scum.
I don't disagree Nico. I wasn't suggesting that they stroll into an area then stand like a training dummy. They still need to cut the lanes down fast. You don't want your forwards chasing down the ball, then leaving nothing in the tank when we win it. But I think we agree on what the dynamics of the press require as a whole.
It is a very good thread, those Tifo Football guys are great.
From that analysis, and from reading and watching some other stuff about Ange, it seems like his methodology is to be pretty rigid in the way his teams play. Not that he would set up the press in the exact same way at Spurs that he did at Celtic, but that he wants the squad to have a very deep understanding of what they do and to impose that on the game rather than being reactive.
Very different tactics to Conte, but an analogous philosophy. They aren't Plan B guys. The answer to problems with Plan A is to do Plan A better.
There are benefits to that. I think it helps for integrating depth and youth, the instructions are very clear and that experience can accrue over time. And I think it's obvious that your basic tactical setup will be different as Celtic in the Scottish league versus Spurs in the Premier League. He's not an idiot.
But still, I agree, it's scary to think about our bunch of wasters being set out to play a high risk press against top sides who can ease right through it.
Slot or Nagelsmann would be in a position to do some version of the same thing though. As indeed Mason did the last few weeks. This is the tactical transition we've chosen.
Mate don’t waste your time explaining yourself to that wank.
I agree that Kane and son are both dreadful pressers at this stage in their careers but for different reasons.
Kane just rarely is willing to move anymore as he conserves energy for attacking. He’s an ok presser when he commits to it. He’s not quick but he’s at least smart about it and strong enough to win the ball.
Son is almost the opposite. He is willing to put in sprints but he’s pretty much a headless chicken when it comes to pressing. He will sprint half the pitch at the keeper only to get beat by a simple pass. And it’s just wasted energy.
We may be able to survive with one of them and then the rest of the team being organized pressers. But I doubt the remaining 8 field players can carry both of them.
Pressing is all about coordination, and that's the aspect where we're absolutely dogshit.
A combined effect of our dinosaur tactics and the poor morale and professionalism level in the squad.
Our press was the class of the division just 6 years ago. Time to get that back, there really aren't tactics that work in modern football that don't place a heavy emphasis on disturbing the opponent's build up and forcing them into bad situations.
I've started watching too many videos of him now and you can see he's a likeable person. Whether he can transfer his coaching and way of playing to the PL is a massive question. It could go either way. Sounds like the start could well be tough though while or if the players can get used to it. Seems like they'll have to have a lot of energy and desire.
I'm coming around to him, but honestly, it could go either way.
I'm coming around to him, but honestly, it could go either way.