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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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StripiestPilot said:
We have spent a fortune since the stadium opened, the line that Levy is cheap is outdated thinking that hasn't been true for years. We spend huge amounts on buying players and sacking managers. It's how it's being spent that is our issue.

Sessegnon - £30m
Ndombele - £50m
Lo Celso - £50m
Reguilon - £30m
Bergwijn - £25m
Romero - £50m
Emerson - £25m
Gil - £25m (plus Lamela)
Bissouma - £25m
Richarlison - £60m
Porro - £50m
Spence - £20m

Including cheaper players like Rodon, Doherty etc that's around £500m spent on players in 4 years. We are spending money, obscene amounts of money. We are just spending it on rubbish players. We are spending money that, with competent football people making decisions, would be more than enough to make us competitive. If you gave the football executives at City £500m to spend, I guarantee they would get multiple world class players with it.
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Buy cheap buy twice isn’t spending to win.

Anyone can see we have spent badly and I agree other clubs could do more with what we spent.

City executives couldn’t do shit with our wage structure.
Transfer fees are massively overrated.

Let’s agree that Levy’s financial model for the football team has failed to convert us into a big team that competes?
 
StripiestPilot said:
We have spent a fortune since the stadium opened, the line that Levy is cheap is outdated thinking that hasn't been true for years. We spend huge amounts on buying players and sacking managers. It's how it's being spent that is our issue.

Sessegnon - £30m
Ndombele - £50m
Lo Celso - £50m
Reguilon - £30m
Bergwijn - £25m
Romero - £50m
Emerson - £25m
Gil - £25m (plus Lamela)
Bissouma - £25m
Richarlison - £60m
Porro - £50m
Spence - £20m

Including cheaper players like Rodon, Doherty etc that's around £500m spent on players in 4 years. We are spending money, obscene amounts of money. We are just spending it on rubbish players. We are spending money that, with competent football people making decisions, would be more than enough to make us competitive. If you gave the football executives at City £500m to spend, I guarantee they would get multiple world class players with it.
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Agreed, it's not the spending, it's where the spending went.
Truly abysmal recruitment.
 
StripiestPilot said:
We have spent a fortune since the stadium opened, the line that Levy is cheap is outdated thinking that hasn't been true for years. We spend huge amounts on buying players and sacking managers. It's how it's being spent that is our issue.

Sessegnon - £30m
Ndombele - £50m
Lo Celso - £50m
Reguilon - £30m
Bergwijn - £25m
Romero - £50m
Emerson - £25m
Gil - £25m (plus Lamela)
Bissouma - £25m
Richarlison - £60m
Porro - £50m
Spence - £20m

Including cheaper players like Rodon, Doherty etc that's around £500m spent on players in 4 years. We are spending money, obscene amounts of money. We are just spending it on rubbish players. We are spending money that, with competent football people making decisions, would be more than enough to make us competitive. If you gave the football executives at City £500m to spend, I guarantee they would get multiple world class players with it.
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The buck stops with Levy

If we're constantly buying rubbish players (Dombelly for starters) then it's down to him selecting the wrong DoF's, Academy managers, managers, etc.

Can you imagine where we'd be with Tony Bloom for instance being in charge? He's the one who's recruited Barber, Potter and then de Zerbi.
 
Get in! said:
No, it's not. As good a manager as JN is he does not have the personality to unite a fanbase and Poch would be playing a fucking diamond.
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Ffs this manager search should have started March 18th really after soton gane. Board then waited nearby 2 weeks to announce termination by mutual agreement. They should have used that time during the international break to sort out a manager lined up. But no they wait 3 months abd decide it’s Ange after all the other managers have been binned. I think this now longer search than 21 if you start from soton gane. If they wanted Ange then could they not have tried in March we’ll be fire season end? There was no links to him back then either. Poch was playing golf with ossie in March ready. Patarici wanted Enrique we know that as well. So a well and truly fucked up sesrch abd ending up with someone who may not actually develop and promote youth players, only really has knowledge of players from far east and has won a one horse race with a team that has won 14 out 15 titles. Fantastic!
 
kenpaisley79 said:
Postecoglou's system works for Celtic as they play teams who put ten men in defence and allow them possession, practically every game. This means their forward players can attack at will, which he has trained them to do well and this will get goals. Teams though that on the occasion do attack them, have exploited the inverted full backs Ange plays. He's relied on Vickers immensely and when he hasn't played, they've been vulnerable to attacks and since he's been injured they've been very poor at the back, as was evident in the last old firm.

Only Rangers have given them a game and they're in a bad place and due a rebuild and have been badly managed in regards to recruitment (something Ange has got right and it's made a big difference). Celtic have clearly got the better of Rangers since Beale came in at Xmas with results, but in reality, Rangers have done well to exploit Ange's system quite well, they've just lacked the players to maximise possession, having only one recognised forward in Morelos, who has been poor and had his eyes on the exit door being now out of contract.

In Europe, Celtic haven't the resources to truly compete with the bigger teams, which is no fault of theirs given the finances and the fact their regular Scottish fodder standard of opposition is so poor, it's hardly practice for Champions League level teams. But still, Ange has stubbornly stuck to the same formation... Attack and keep running, still playing inverted fullbacks, even when teams have easily worked out all they have to do is exploit the wings when the full backs are out of position and they're short at the back. Good teams just let Celtic tire themselves out, then hit fast on the break. Even Scottish teams started to catch on.

Perhaps with better resources and players, Ange could make the system work in the SPL. He's charasmatic and seems to create a good environment for players. It will take time though to implement his system, in Scotland when he took over, Celtic were still a strong team, even though Rangers had just won the league the season before, the players he had were always going to be enough to beat SPL teams. I think having to face MUCH better teams in the EPL will be a step beyond his current abilities, especially as he sticks so strictly to the one formation/tactics and teams will take advantage of that and punish his naivety and inexperience.

On recruitment he's done well bringing players from Japan. Three players in particular made a huge difference. Kyogo, Hatate and Maeda. When Kyogo or/and Hatate haven't played - especially if Vickers is also out - the fringe players struggle to replace them and make an impact and Celtic can be very sluggish. This could be down to the fast system he plays, needing players to be playing regularly to hold it together. Ange isn't big on rotation.
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Don’t think that bodes well!
 
Get in! said:
No, it's not. As good a manager as JN is he does not have the personality to unite a fanbase and Poch would be playing a fucking diamond.
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Why does the club need a personality to unite the fanbase?

Thomas Frank doesn't have a big Charisma, De Zerbi is a jumped up little prick and Potter is a Geography teacher.

The club needs a structure and a plan that fans understand and can choose to get behind. That btw is what JN reportedly asked for.

Conte was all passion and charisma. It united fans for about 6 months, then the chaos kicked in as soon as a summer transfer window passed and Conte realized he wasn't getting what he wanted. Then January passed and he still didn't get it so he torched the whole building on the way out.

70 days to come up with a structure and a plan. Instead, all we have seen is just PR about big personality managers. (I like Ange btw, it's not about him).
 
White Van Jan said:
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He'll defo have to play differently in the PL. The best teams play very much using their keeper as sweeper. This "don't pass back" doesn't work, otherwise you're 10 v 11. Brighton even played chicken with City the other day, daring their forwards to press the keeper. Ended 1-1, great game. If we'd played that way v the Goons or Chavs I would be in hospital now on life support.

But he's a smart guy, I'm sure he knows all this already.

Not my first choice but I'd be very happy with him. Also it seems he won't take any shit from Levy
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How do you know that? I am not saying you're not right but...
The last 2 - Conte & Mourinho - who didn't take any "shit from Levy" ended their Spurs career :cool:
I may be wrong but to me it looks as if Levy is very much looking for an "agreeable" head coach - which is most probably why so many quality head coaches didn't "qualify" for the job
 
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White Van Jan said:
The buck stops with Levy

If we're constantly buying rubbish players (Dombelly for starters) then it's down to him selecting the wrong DoF's, Academy managers, managers, etc.

Can you imagine where we'd be with Tony Bloom for instance being in charge? He's the one who's recruited Barber, Potter and then de Zerbi.
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The problem is not just the players we buy it is the overall vision. The fact is we have now bought players for 4 different managers and systems over the last 4 years.

Let’s take Ndombele as the example. Poch signed him because he wanted a player that could turn on the ball and could help to unlock defences that sit back and hopefully would help us maintain possession. Then we signed Mourinho as manager and the focus on what Ndombele was expected to do changed for the rest of the season. Mourinho wanted him to sit a little deeper and play in double pivot and that is not in his skill set especially since he was recovering from a groin injury when Mourinho joined. The following season Jose found a solution in his tactics and played him as 10 but then Jose was fired.

I do not know what Nuno expected because half the games we played under him we did not seem to have a midfield. Then under Conte, Ndombele was pointless because what he does well comes from his dribbling ability and his ability to break through the lines to play a through ball. Conte likes for players to be tactically disciplined and struggles to build players who are not into his system, that is why we saw an end to Alli and NDombele’s time at Spurs while he was our manager.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Why does the club need a personality to unite the fanbase?

Thomas Frank doesn't have a big Charisma, De Zerbi is a jumped up little prick and Potter is a Geography teacher.

The club needs a structure and a plan that fans understand and can choose to get behind. That btw is what JN reportedly asked for.

Conte was all passion and charisma. It united fans for about 6 months, then the chaos kicked in as soon as a summer transfer window passed and Conte realized he wasn't getting what he wanted. Then January passed and he still didn't get it so he torched the whole building on the way out.

70 days to come up with a structure and a plan. Instead, all we have seen is just PR about big personality managers. (I like Ange btw, it's not about him).
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You make a very good point. Alex Ferguson wasn't exactly 'Mr Charisma' was he? Guardiola's turtle neck sweaters have got more 'charisma' than the man himself.

As for the late, great Bill Nicholson? Was 'charisma' important to him? Naaah.

 
Richard Arlison said:
So you are agreed charisma "to unite the fans" (whatever the fuck that means) isn't what the club needs above all?
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Depends on the club. Jol, Redknapp and Pochettino had very positive vibes which seemed to work well with us, not sure charisma is the word but there is something to be said for having a positive manager with us.

When you have Levy’s negative weird vibes plus the moaning of Jose or Conte it can get a bit much. I honestly think the next manager should have a can do positive way about them, won’t fix everything but might help lift the gloom around the club.
 
Zomb said:
Disagree, that’s to the media. From what I’ve read he was charming, intelligent and witty most of the time.

Guardiola is a prick, as is that dweeb Arteta
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Fair do's - I already said he was intelligent - but in my books, to be classed as 'charismatic' you need to have a personal magnetism in public (like Jesus, for example). Ferguson didn't have that. What he had was far more important - obssession and ability.
Anyway, as 'charisma' is way down my list of Essential Coaching Qualities, shall we agree to disagree?
 
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