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Transfers Summer Transfer Thread 2023! - Closed (Maybe)

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CerealMaterial said:
Yea I genuinely don't understand what happened with him. Wasn't he young player of the year when we signed him? I even recall some non Spurs supporting mates saying we got a great LB on our hands.

My recollection of him in a Spurs shirt is just looking busy, while running down blind alleys.


While I'd prefer to not see him in a Spurs shirt again To Dare Is To Do. To Dare Is To Do. does make a fair point that we'd get 15m for him at most, and if we're looking to invest that 15m into another midfielder we wouldn't get very far. Out of all the players we've got on loan he's probably one of the better ones, that is actually still useful. We've also had two coaches that don't really suit his style of play, it shouldn't be too hard for Ange to get more out of him.
If it means keeping him around for another few months and instead using the money to get better CBs in I'd be all for that.
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We will never get anything out of him. Ever.
We have a 25 man squad, and literally all he does is prevent someone else having a squad space.
 
Shadydan said:
Fine but once again he's never played that role and that doesn't come natural to him, if he's grown up playing as a wing back how do you expect him to play in that position and learn?

I think folk are setting themselves up for disappointment with some of these teams.
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He grew up playing a mixture of CM and LB for Verona and Italian youth teams. He wasn't a wing back until Udinese started playing him there.
 
Confusius said:
You are talking about half our squad there!
Sad Season 2 GIF by Friends
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Not really, maybe only Sessegnon is equally as average and unreliable. The rest are one or the other. They may be average but generally always available, or half decent but always injured. GLC and Sess are both.
 
To Dare Is To Do. said:
He's not below average on a good day- he got MOTM in the CL vs Bayern Munich. Emery, who is a very smart and detail orientated manager, saw him at Villarreal and wants him at Aston Villa.

I wouldn't mind selling him if we got a good fee, as he's too injury prone and can't be relied on for a full season.
But with Ange being an attacking manager who plays 433, GLC is currently our best RCM, so his strengths are more relevant compared to more defensive managers such as Conte, Jose, and Nuno.
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He shit for us. Full stop. He's not good enough week in week out at PL level. What he did against another team for another team is irrelevant
 
Macch said:
So he Ange needs fullbacks who double as holding CMs. Sheesh. We don’t have those.
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Ah, not really doing everything a cm does, but occupying the position, being in position to recycle position and win back lost possession. Udogie and Emerson best suited to it of our full backs I think, but more so Emerson.
 
bus-conductor said:
Not sure of others have answered this (if so ignore) but (as I understand it based on what I've heard/read) Postecoglou's FB's aren't one dimensional defenders only, he uses them as auxiliary midfielders, coming inside - bit like Guardiola does in some formats - or Arteta does with Zinchenko.

The problem with this could be that we've spent three years buying WB's who do the opposite.
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Counterpoint: WBs are a bullshit position for a bullshit formation.

Is there a single player on the planet that is only a WB?

We have enough wingers and FBs.
 
Matt1882 said:
He shit for us. Full stop. He's not good enough week in week out at PL level. What he did against another team for another team is irrelevant
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Some players can shine under an attacking system but do badly for defensive managers. I'm not a huge fan of his, but don't think we should write him off.
If someone bids a decent amount of money for him, happy to sell. But not if it's a low ball.
 
Raumdeuterz said:
With a grand total of 5 less shots last season compared to the one before. In less minutes.

Love Son but that crap was all just convenient, manager blaming excuses for the fact he had an individually mediocre season.
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He actually still outperformed his xGs (-.40) , just not to the extent of the prior 2 seasons (-6.01 & -5.98 respectively).

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He was asked to defend more than he should by Conte, and as we had <50% possession, this meant Son was deep in our own half much of the time.
 
Carl Johnson said:
💯 💯 💯

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I’m surprised at the amount of dislikes this got.

I think it’s perfectly reasonable to be sceptical about this signing. He looks like a “decent” goalkeeper, fine shot stopper but average with his feet (probably better than Lloris but that really wouldn’t be hard) he’s also 26 so his room for improvement is probably minimal.

I see from articles that he was targeted by Inter to replace Onana who’s linked with some big moves. I just feel why are we not targeting a GK of Onana’s level to replace our captain and one of our major players in a position of such critical importance. A €19 million punt on a player that has had essentially one good season for a team that finished bottom half in Serie A just seems very cheap/risky.
 
Airfixx said:
My concerns are 2 fold... Firstly I'm simply not a fan of 4231 (our squad is probably least equipped for it).

Secondly somewhere in between managerial flexibility and experimenting there's a genuine danger of creating a load of square pegs in order to use a particular system/tactic.....

You can see it in a lot of it in people's posts already..... Kulu/LW.... People wedded to the notion of a trad. CAM yet prescribing them on one side of a 433 or calling it a 433 despite playing Maddison in front of 2 CMs (that's 4231!!!).... The sudden return to the notion of old fashioned wingers and repurposing players to play there even they don't have the pace or line-hugging, dribbling tendencies to do so.....

It's all very well being Pep... When you have 25 elite, technically proficient players and a general ethos that is already deeply ingrained into the squad over a number of years, then yes; the canvas and the palette is there.... Go paint (ditto the budget version De Zerbi inherited at Brighton)...... but very few teams do..... Even Arse were complaining about their FBs/CMs relationships by the end of the season and now they seem to be ripping their entire MF apart this trf window.


Said in another post; I actually rue the expected departure from 3CBs... 2 x quality CB purchases pending; I think it's what suits our squad best... And for me that was the appeal of Nagelsmann..... For the most part, we already had the raw bones to get him up and running.
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Fair play, but I can't stand 3/5 at-the-back as a default setting.

Never have, never will. You are inviting pressure and extra attackers in your own half.

It's useful in certain situations, often when up against a superior opponent. Some of our best results under Poch were with 5 at-the-back... the Dortmund pounding comes to mind.

But we actually had 2 elite CBs at that time, and our default was a 4-2-3-1.
 
TomHotspur said:
I’m surprised at the amount of dislikes this got.

I think it’s perfectly reasonable to be sceptical about this signing. He looks like a “decent” goalkeeper, fine shot stopper but average with his feet (probably better than Lloris but that really wouldn’t be hard) he’s also 26 so his room for improvement is probably minimal.

I see from articles that he was targeted by Inter to replace Onana who’s linked with some big moves. I just feel why are we not targeting a GK of Onana’s level to replace our captain and one of our major players in a position of such critical importance. A €19 million punt on a player that has had essentially one good season for a team that finished bottom half in Serie A just seems very cheap/risky.
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It is cheap/risky.

Expensive has risk as well.
 
Airfixx said:
There's absolutely NOTHING wrong or "bullshit" about 343 / 352.

Trying to force any system to work when you don't have the players to suit it is dumb as fuck though.
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Situationally, I agree.

As a default, no.

Trying to think of the last (typical -- not Pep-styled) back 3/5 team to win anything elite.

Even Mexico's ditched it, which is something.
 
jonomarch said:
He so fits a 433 he would be the furtherest forward in a mid field triangle with two hybrids 8s of benta and biss behind him
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That’s not how Ange plays a 4-3-3. He is still perfect for Ange’s 4-3-3 as he’d be one of two more attacking midfielders. Maddison would be a game changer for us. The chances he’d create and goals he’d add to the team would get us an extra 12 points minimum over a season and that would put us where we need to be.
 
TomHotspur said:
I’m surprised at the amount of dislikes this got.

I think it’s perfectly reasonable to be sceptical about this signing. He looks like a “decent” goalkeeper, fine shot stopper but average with his feet (probably better than Lloris but that really wouldn’t be hard) he’s also 26 so his room for improvement is probably minimal.

I see from articles that he was targeted by Inter to replace Onana who’s linked with some big moves. I just feel why are we not targeting a GK of Onana’s level to replace our captain and one of our major players in a position of such critical importance. A €19 million punt on a player that has had essentially one good season for a team that finished bottom half in Serie A just seems very cheap/risky.
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According to most people I’ve read reports from in Italy, he’s better than Onana.

At least last season.

He’s not had 1 good year but 2 straight and the trajectory was up before then. 26 is like 22 for a GK.

You could be right but I swear if he had 2 years on his contract and we paid 40m, everyone would be excited
 
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