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The model of spending on low unproven players with potential is only successful at clubs with the best possible scouting and analytics departments and a comfortable environment where players are given time to develop as there isn't any pressure to compete at the highest level season after season.

The transfer hit rate largely depends on the quality of your scouting and analytics team whether you're Man City or Brentford.
The nuance I’d add is that Brentford andBrighton are in positions to give gambles time to develop. Since we’ve been a CL team from year 3 of Poch we haven’t so it’s harder for us to go get the next Mitoma as Mitoma wouldn’t have been the Mitoma he is today had he joined Spurs.
 


It is a throw away line in the article. So probably nothing in it.

Tottenham are also admirers of the 26-year-old, while Chelsea have also maintained an interest over the past two seasons.

However, Kilman is understood to be very happy at Wolves and will not push for a move away. He is a member of Wolves’ leadership group and the prospect of him being named captain, after Neves’s exit, is a genuine possibility.
 
It is a throw away line in the article. So probably nothing in it.

Tottenham are also admirers of the 26-year-old, while Chelsea have also maintained an interest over the past two seasons.

However, Kilman is understood to be very happy at Wolves and will not push for a move away. He is a member of Wolves’ leadership group and the prospect of him being named captain, after Neves’s exit, is a genuine possibility.
These leadership groups sound so funny to me.

I get it, there will be a few experience players who are the core of a team, It's like this all the way through from pro to amateurs but sounds so silly that one is now a member of the silly little leadership group.... Heres your badge you can join us.

Can imagine it's more journalists using it to group some individuals because If players actually walking around claiming they are part of leadership group that's so cringe and self important
 
You asked me this before but anyway, randomly I have seen a few other Fulham games and one game against us.

I do like him.

VdV I'm pretty open that I know next to nothing about. Tapsoba I saw the Juve games in Europa, mainly because there were Xabi Alonso rumours to us at the time. I liked what I saw.

15m seems a fair price for Tosin but if it was me and I was making an ideal window out of the players linked, I'd like to see Tapsoba of them all.

If he's costing 50m that isn't happening though.
I’m sure if we sold a lot of deadwood we would go somewhere near asking price fir tandopa? We don’t need to keep jasphet , Rodon, davies, dier, peri , Dav and sess. They can all do one and get what we can. Surely all these players need to go! None are starting 11 and none you’d want to come on as subs. Throw in not getting lenglet the money saved would surely allow us to go for both the 2 CBs and not Tosin.
 
Everyone knows chelsea & city big money spending is the catalyst for their huge success. It’s just the ones defending levy/enic being too cheap that are in denial. That’s why it’s a waste of time debating with them as they are completely illogical to match their agenda .
It's like arguing with a flat earther or antivaxer. They just make shit up to keep arguing despite all the evidence.
 
For example in January 2020, we desperately desperately needed a DM and CF as Wanyama was physically done and Kane got injured on NYE.
ENIC instead spent 30m on a winger from Eredivisie because he was available and there was a potential he could become a 80/90 million player In 2/3 seasons.
Another great example, Carl... Factual, well researched, and well explained.
I think the underlying reason every manager fails and we keep coming up short, whoever is in the dug out, is the way the board prioritise value for money, opportunistic punts, re -sale value, and 'winning the deal' ........instead of striving to continually improving each position through the team even if it means sometimes paying over the odds to get what the manager wants and who makes an immediate impact.
Sometimes they're lucky enough to hit the jackpot. Maddison being a great example. Exactly what we need and at a price that satisfies our resale value criteria.
However, if we hadn't got him at the knockdown price his contract and his teams relegation dictated, we'd have looked at a cheaper 2nd or 3rd Choice alternative....or filled another position with less need for improvement

And therein lies the problem
 
For over 20 years ENIC have always looked for bargains instead of setting up and heavily invest on a proper scouting and analytics team which could have helped the club addressing issues like identifying right players to improve the team a lot better.

Bargain hunting is double edged sword, for every Berbatov there's Pekhart.

Things have been getting slightly better though since Paratici arrival, he seems like the only guy who has managed to get Levy to do what he says half the time.

They're never gonna spend big on a fee and pay the wages for a top level player. The result is the squad is clogged up with dross like Ndombele, GLC, Richarlison who cost too much in fees and are pretty much unsellable. Whilst we don't pay huge salaries, we pay more than the clubs that might actually take them off our hands so we're stuck with then.

For this reason, I'd rather we invest more intelligently than just financially. And we're not the only team to have done it. Chelsea have had Drogba and Costa succeed, but Lukaku, Morata, Torres, Shevchenko etc at the cost of hundreds of millions and they've embarrassed themselves.

My biggest issue with the ENIC era isn't that they're tight, it's that they fail to manage the squads appropriately. Players are here too long before they get replaced. A bigger club makes it extremely difficult for unwanted players to be there and if they still don't leave, they get exiled. We start the fuckers and employ a new coach to try to play them more.
 
This "bargain hunting" theory simply isn't true. Not anymore. It's a relic of the pre-Bale Spurs which very much looked for cheap young players to develop and sell at a profit. But that M.O. does a decade ago. Since then we've spent:

2013: €30M Soldado and €30 Lamela. This €60M was the more that any PL club spent on 2 players other than United (€66M for Fernandinho and Jovetic)

2015: €30M on Son, which was the 3rd most expensive transfer of the summer aside from the Manchestee clubs. At the two Liverpool transfers that trumped it were Benteke and Firmino, which got a lot of praise at the time but were poor deals retrospectively.

2016: €35M on Sissoko (oof), which outside of Manchester was joint 5th highest behind Xhaka (€45M, lol), Mustafi (€41M, lol), Mane (€41M), and Batshuayi (€39M, lol)

2017: €42M on Sanchez plus €53M combined for Moura and Aurier. Outside of Manchester there were 4 players more expensive than Sanchez; van Djik (€85M), Morata (€66M), Aubemayang (€64M, lol), and Lacazette (€53M, lol)

2018: Well this is the problem.

2019: €62M on Ndombele, €30M on Bergwijn, €27M on Sessegnon. Outside of Manchester there was only 1 transfer more expensive than Ndombele: Pepe (€80M, JFC lol). Only clubs signing 3 players over €25M: Woolwich (Pepe, Saliba, and Tierney), United (Maguire, Fernandes, Wan-Bissaka), and Everton (Iwobi, Kean, and Gomes)

2020: €32M on GLC and €30M Reggie. Outside of City and Chelsea (who turned the doping back into high gear with Havertz, Werner, Chilwell, and Ziyech for €223M), only Partey+Gabriel (€66M) and Jota+Thiago (€67M) were a more expensive pair.

2021: €69M combined on Gil, Royal, and Betancur. Admittedly a weak transfer group, but this was a weak transfer year for everyone due to Covid. Liverpool spent €87M on Diaz+Konate. Woolwich spent €121M on White+Odegaard+Ramsdale. Chelsea threw away €113M on Lukaku which seems like spending for the sake of it in retrospect. United spent €125M on Sancho and Varane. City bought Grealish for €113M

2022: €108M on Richarlison+Romero, €30M on Bissouma. Aside from SaudiLondon back on the dope, only SaudiNorth (€152M for Isak+Gordon+Botman) and United (€223M for Anthony+Casemiro+Martinez) had a more expensive trio


The problem is that most of those listed were major busts for us. Soldado, Lamela, Sissoko, Sanchez, Aurier, Moura, Ndombele, Bergwijn, Sessegnon, GLC, Reggie, Gil, and Richarlison cost this club €431M.

It hasn't been because we're cheap and bargain hunting. It's because we've been very, very, very bad at scouting.
Can you go back and add in sales to all this to show net spend. And can you also add what we won vs the teams who's signings you've criticised.
 
It's like arguing with a flat earther or antivaxer. They just make shit up to keep arguing despite all the evidence.
A couple of the more extreme ones on the fringe have also now started throwing disgusting 'gooner' accusations at those who criticise the board and want better players and more investment in our football team.

This once great bastion of open debate and free speech is being held to ransom by a handful of regime supporting radicals.

Really sad to see.
 
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Bargain hunting was still a thing until Paratici joined the club.

Bergwijn, Sessegnon, Lucas, even Reguilon were all recent opportunistic signings that were bought by ENIC not necessarily to address first team weaknesses. They were bought because the selling club were happy to move those players on and there was potential their values could double or triple if they had a couple of good seasons at the club.


For example in January 2020, we desperately desperately needed a DM and CF as Wanyama was physically done and Kane got injured on NYE.

ENIC instead spent 30m on a winger from Eredivisie because he was available and there was a potential he could become a 80/90 million player In 2/3 seasons.
Djed Spence, Bryan Gil, Lenglet, Royal? Kulu and Bentancur
Yes the fees are a bit higher these days, but they're still punts on players who maybe have more in potential talent than actual, realised talent.

I even think our bigger signings are opportunity signings. Romero, Ndombele, GLC all came off the back of 1 good season at their clubs. That's us getting in before one of the big clubs does and we miss the boat. Those big clubs would wait another season to see how they maintain those levels first.
 
A couple of the more extreme ones on the fringe have also now started throwing 'gooner' accusations at those who criticise the board and want better players and more investment in our football team.

This once great bastion of open debate and free speech is being held to ransom by a handful of regime supporting radicals.

Really sad to see.
The gooner thing is utterly bizarre, isn't it?
 
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