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1882 said:
Cos the internet just said so!


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Steady on old chap!



Are Chelsea doing a 'Jimmy Savile' ...and hiding their crimes in plain sight?

Why is no one ONTO this?
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So Chelsea plan to win titles is buying every player in the world so they can compete alone?
 
Mostly wrong said:
Thats the market, I'd say it represents fair value bearing in mind he is classed as home grown. If Gent want £30m for Orban I'd say the extra £20m for Balogun at least comes with the assurance he can do it in a much better standard of league. He's come up through their academy though and been there years, chances are he won't want to come here any more than they want to sell him to us.
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Yeah, it's probably a tough call to make between Orban for 30m with more potential or this gooner for 50m but slightly more certain.

I'd weigh that against the squad balance behind signing either. For me, a younger striker like the Wahi kid or Orban made sense because they come in knowing they are behind the established players like Richy and Son to begin with. That's a positive motivation for the new kid and for the established players being pushed by a youngster.


Maybe Bolargin would come in and expect to start??
If we are bringing in a guy to start, it should probably be on the level of Lautaro Martinez or Vlahovic. Neither my personal choices but you get what I'm saying?
 
scarletjim said:
I never said tht VDV 'has the position sewn up' at all, or won't 'be asked to compete for a place'. If you go back and read what I said, he may have been basically told that, given the other CBs at the club, he'll be starting against Brentford, and the place is his to lose. That is completely different to having the position 'sewn up' or not having to fight for it going forward. However that would be completely undermined by us signing another 'expected to start' CB a fortnight later. VDV might have signed on the basis that we weren't planning to sign another top CB this summer. (Incidentally, can you think of any example, ever, where another club has signed 2 'likely to start' £40m+ CBs within a few weeks of each other when they already have one who is deemed competent and expected to stay?).

With regard to your second point, I agree it makes more sense to sign someone to challenge for Romero's place, but I doubt that we would want to lay out that amount of money for 3 players knowing that we will only ever start 2 of them - I just think we would see that money better spent elsewhere. By all means bring in someone else (Tosin for example, if he actually wanted to come...) - but not a player who would absolutely smash our record transfer fee when we have needs elsewhere.

Ultimately I guess it doesn't actually matter what you think, nor indeed what I think. If VDV and Tapsoba think like you, then no problem, let's sign Tapsoba. However if they think like me, and numerous others on here, then that is good reason not to sign Tapsoba now that we have VDV.
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Does all that mean you don't think we need to sign another CB this transfer window? A concise and short reply will suffice.
 
scarletjim said:
I never said tht VDV 'has the position sewn up' at all, or won't 'be asked to compete for a place'. If you go back and read what I said, he may have been basically told that, given the other CBs at the club, he'll be starting against Brentford, and the place is his to lose. That is completely different to having the position 'sewn up' or not having to fight for it going forward. However that would be completely undermined by us signing another 'expected to start' CB a fortnight later. VDV might have signed on the basis that we weren't planning to sign another top CB this summer. (Incidentally, can you think of any example, ever, where another club has signed 2 'likely to start' £40m+ CBs within a few weeks of each other when they already have one who is deemed competent and expected to stay?).

With regard to your second point, I agree it makes more sense to sign someone to challenge for Romero's place, but I doubt that we would want to lay out that amount of money for 3 players knowing that we will only ever start 2 of them - I just think we would see that money better spent elsewhere. By all means bring in someone else (Tosin for example, if he actually wanted to come...) - but not a player who would absolutely smash our record transfer fee when we have needs elsewhere.

Ultimately I guess it doesn't actually matter what you think, nor indeed what I think. If VDV and Tapsoba think like you, then no problem, let's sign Tapsoba. However if they think like me, and numerous others on here, then that is good reason not to sign Tapsoba now that we have VDV.
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Yes you keep speculating on some unknowable promise which is odd in of itself. And I've repeated over and over I contend with this notion you have of 'expected to start". As for worry about money I'll leave that to Daniel Levy and his online bean counters, I buy tickets to support Tottenham Hotspur not the balance sheet. Which by the way I'm lead to belive are healthy enough to encompass the 60 million your worried about. Different fans different priorities I guess.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Yeah, it's probably a tough call to make between Orban for 30m with more potential or this gooner for 50m but slightly more certain.

I'd weigh that against the squad balance behind signing either. For me, a younger striker like the Wahi kid or Orban made sense because they come in knowing they are behind the established players like Richy and Son to begin with. That's a positive motivation for the new kid and for the established players being pushed by a youngster.


Maybe Bolargin would come in and expect to start??
If we are bringing in a guy to start, it should probably be on the level of Lautaro Martinez or Vlahovic. Neither my personal choices but you get what I'm saying?
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We won't attract a player in that bracket in this window though, I imagine the idea of bringing in an Orban or Balogun is insurance on Richy failing to play into form and having a guy ready and hungry for his spot right behind. Veliz ain't that at 19 in a new country with no grasp of the language, we could fuck him by pushing him early so glad it looks like he's training with us till Jan with a view to a loan then.
I'd probably rather Orban than Balogun purely so we don't line the goons pockets, and I dont think the player would want to come, so it's all a bit moot really.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Yeah, it's probably a tough call to make between Orban for 30m with more potential or this gooner for 50m but slightly more certain.

I'd weigh that against the squad balance behind signing either. For me, a younger striker like the Wahi kid or Orban made sense because they come in knowing they are behind the established players like Richy and Son to begin with. That's a positive motivation for the new kid and for the established players being pushed by a youngster.


Maybe Bolargin would come in and expect to start??
If we are bringing in a guy to start, it should probably be on the level of Lautaro Martinez or Vlahovic. Neither my personal choices but you get what I'm saying?
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If you don't continue to come up with a different spelling of Bellygone in each post I will be sorely disappointed.
 
CerealMaterial said:
Curious to know as to why you're more concerned about Bissouma than Bentancur. I personally think Bentancur is the bigger question mark after his injury.

As for striker, I can easily be swayed to forgo one in lieu of another winger that might be more suited to Ange's style of play. Either way, tend to agree that we need at least another CB and CM if Hojberg goes.
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My concern with every single one of our players is that none seem to be consistently good.

It's been years where I felt confident that our players would put in game to game performances that made me sit comfortably. Let's say with a sense of being balanced, for a short while under Conte that was the case. Not pretty but efficient.

So I get on no bandwagon. I won't lavish praise on any player until I have seen quality displays over a few games. My barometer.

So Bissouma. One game and he is this and that. Fcuk that nonsense.

Bentancur, prior to his injury and the World Cup was our best player, but agree, what will his injury have done to him. Unknown until we know.

My point as with so much at this club is theoretical. I think Bissouma and Bentancur could make a decent pairing. Will they? No idea, just like will Postecoglou do a good job? Nobody can know, despite the optimism, and optimism alone is not enough.

Our recent history does not inspire hope and neither does the constipation that seems to have hit our transfer activity.
 
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Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Yes you keep speculating on some unknowable promise which is odd in of itself. And I've repeated over and over I contend with this notion you have of 'expected to start". As for worry about money I'll leave that to Daniel Levy and his online bean counters, I buy tickets to support Tottenham Hotspur not the balance sheet. Which by the way I'm lead to belive are healthy enough to encompass the 60 million your worried about. Different fans different priorities I guess.
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Indeed I am speculating, I've never positioned it as anything else. People were asking whether or not we should try to sign Tapsoba now. I was simply providing one possible (though seemingly likely) legitimate reason why we might not, that's all.

Fine for you to ignore the money side if you wish - as someone generally interested in business and finance, and their impact on what we can, can't, will and won't do as a football club, I won't ignore it if that's ok with you? Thanks. :)
 
Richard Arlison said:
Yeah, it's probably a tough call to make between Orban for 30m with more potential or this gooner for 50m but slightly more certain.

I'd weigh that against the squad balance behind signing either. For me, a younger striker like the Wahi kid or Orban made sense because they come in knowing they are behind the established players like Richy and Son to begin with. That's a positive motivation for the new kid and for the established players being pushed by a youngster.


Maybe Bolargin would come in and expect to start??
If we are bringing in a guy to start, it should probably be on the level of Lautaro Martinez or Vlahovic. Neither my personal choices but you get what I'm saying?
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If Woolwich want to sell us a player then that's extremely suspicious.
 
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