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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Top_Spur said:
What because we lost a penalty shootout?

So Ange has been defined by a penalty shootout?
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FFS that's not the point.

It's the intention and the feeling that we didn't even try to win which is what's bothering people.

No-one would have said anything or put this on the manager if he played the same 11 against Bournemouth and lost, the narrative surrounding this result would be entirely different.

The problem is now he's made a rod for his own back because if we don't do well in the league or the FA Cup then people are always going to come back to this match and point to the fact that we threw it away.

I had the exact same feeling against Forest and Sheffield United last season, at least with those matches we had the CL to fall back on, all we have now is the FA cup and the league.

For the record though I don't think he makes the same mistake again and I think we'll do well in the league and you will see a positive and progressive season but this stings a lot.
 
The Dealer said:
I guess you could question if it should have got to a pen shoot out. He's not defined, I just suggested not going over board with the luvvy duvvy stuff.
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I don't think anyone has been going too over the top.

We've had a good start to the season in the League, probably far better than what most would have expected.

Losing last night wasn't really a reflection on Ange, it was more the 'squad' players inability to prove themselves when it mattered even though they certainly didn't disgrace themselves.

Rotation for cup matches in the early rounds is pretty common now, I'm not really sure why people are surprised.
 
Shadydan said:
FFS that's not the point.

It's the intention and the feeling that we didn't even try to win which is what's bothering people.

No-one would have said anything or put this on the manager if he played the same 11 against Bournemouth and lost, the narrative surrounding this result would be entirely different.

The problem is now he's made a rod for his own back because if we don't do well in the league or the FA Cup then people are always going to come back to this match and point to the fact that we threw it away.

I had the exact same feeling against Forest and Sheffield United last season, at least with those matches we had the CL to fall back on, all we have now is the FA cup and the league.

For the record though I don't think he makes the same mistake again and I think we'll do well in the league and you will see a positive and progressive season but this stings a lot.
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Ok so what do you want to do about it. Doesnt matter if it’s Ange, Conte, Poch, heck it would probably be the same with Pep or Klopp. We as a club don’t take cups seriously, it’s pretty clear the league and league position are the goal by which the board judge the manager.

It’s not random coincidence this keeps happening over 10-20 years. I don’t like Jose but he was sacked just before a cup final. You and most fans may consider the FA and League Cup big trophies, the board clearly don’t and the board is going nowhere.
 
Well this thread took a turn.

I do think it was Ange’s first mistake last night. I can make excuses; he does need to see how the other players are playing under his new system, and this result might help loosen Levy’s purse strings, and the hype bubble was getting a bit silly, a bit early. Can’t take away the fact that it’s a big disappointment, and probably our biggest chance at silverware is over this season, quicker than it needed to be. It’s unfortunate he gave such a powerful message before the game about how winning every match matters - we expected something different but didn’t get it.

However Ange is just a human being, and he’s going to make mistakes. Pepp does, Klopp does. He’s new to the league and he doesn’t have all the answers. I’ve said it before, he is a great match for us because he embodies ‘to dare is to do’. He did this last night and it backfired. A lot of fans have been moaning about timid football for years. He made a brave decision last night but it didn’t work. That’s done now, move on and I’m sure he’ll learn from it. We need to keep supporting though, was wonderful to hear our away fans last night.


(Kit did look horrible though.)
 
Shadydan said:
FFS that's not the point.

It's the intention and the feeling that we didn't even try to win which is what's bothering people.

No-one would have said anything or put this on the manager if he played the same 11 against Bournemouth and lost, the narrative surrounding this result would be entirely different.

The problem is now he's made a rod for his own back because if we don't do well in the league or the FA Cup then people are always going to come back to this match and point to the fact that we threw it away.

I had the exact same feeling against Forest and Sheffield United last season, at least with those matches we had the CL to fall back on, all we have now is the FA cup and the league.

For the record though I don't think he makes the same mistake again and I think we'll do well in the league and you will see a positive and progressive season but this stings a lot.
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There's a big difference to losing on a penalty shoot out where the 90mins has finished 1-1 compared to getting battered 3-0 with a 'B team/squad' players.

He's 4 games into a four year contract. I'm shocked that fans can't see why he selected a more rotated side. It's well documented we have a tonne load of players, how do you think he's gonna manage that squad and keep the harmony if he just selects his first 11 each match. In an ideal world that would be the case but there was never a chance of that happening.

In a way the problem is this over bloated squad we have. It's ridiculous the amount of players we have on the books still.
 
Shadydan said:
FFS that's not the point.

It's the intention and the feeling that we didn't even try to win which is what's bothering people.

No-one would have said anything or put this on the manager if he played the same 11 against Bournemouth and lost, the narrative surrounding this result would be entirely different.

The problem is now he's made a rod for his own back because if we don't do well in the league or the FA Cup then people are always going to come back to this match and point to the fact that we threw it away.

I had the exact same feeling against Forest and Sheffield United last season, at least with those matches we had the CL to fall back on, all we have now is the FA cup and the league.

For the record though I don't think he makes the same mistake again and I think we'll do well in the league and you will see a positive and progressive season but this stings a lot.
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And how long will that same 11 last? Teams have an extended squad for a reason. People should come in and fill a role. Cant play the same handful all season unless they have zero injuries and have superhuman stamina. Sooner or later the extended squad will be called upon. At least now it is obvious that some money needs to be spent in the window.
 
dudu said:
Didn't watch last night as was our 8-year anniversary yesterday - by the sounds of it, it's not worth the watch this morning.

Fulham put out a strongish side - we didn't and got punished for it. Shame as I was hoping for 2 good cup runs this season.

Could understand Ange wanting to give some a chance to show what they can do in the system but by all accounts he went with way too many changes against a Prem League team that has already proven themselves as hard to beat on their day.

Hojbgerg Skipp and Lo Celso in an MF 3 compared to Maddison, Bissouma and Sarr is a huge drop off in terms of transitional play and ball retention.

Hopefully, he has learned his lesson and we arent in any situation this season where we have to put a 2nd string team out.
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Happy anniversary , I’m sure you’re evening was a lot more enjoyable than watching last nights game .

As you say , I’m sure Ange has seen what he had to and we move on
 
Gilded Lily Gilded Lily i do agree with the kit. It looks much worse in person and we need to never wear it again. Luckily there's not many opportunities where our main colours will clash and we've just lost a potential 6 games or so across the season. 😂
 
This game for me showed the importance of critical mass.

Individually I have no issues with Davies, Royal, Forster, GLC, Hojbjerg or Skipp getting squad places.
But we had too many of them in at once and put in a poor performance that saw us eliminated. Deputising for an established starter or coming off the bench is perfectly fine for this group.

Bissouma, Sarr alongside GLC is fine. Maddison with Sarr and Hojbjerg is still fine. Royal ahead of Porro with the rest of the backline is fine. You get the drift.

The true deadweight we have to remove is Sanchez, Dier, Reguilon, Lloris, Spence
 
Tomo said:
Ok so what do you want to do about it. Doesnt matter if it’s Ange, Conte, Poch, heck it would probably be the same with Pep or Klopp. We as a club don’t take cups seriously, it’s pretty clear the league and league position are the goal by which the board judge the manager.

It’s not random coincidence this keeps happening over 10-20 years. I don’t like Jose but he was sacked just before a cup final. You and most fans may consider the FA and League Cup big trophies, the board clearly don’t and the board is going nowhere.
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I don't put what's happened in the past on the same page as what happened last night. You may say there's been one constant as to why we've gone out the cups over the years but it's been a multitude of reasons why and everyone needs to take their fair share of blame including the board.

Last night was on the manager and that's that, you can blame the board all you want for previous exits but they aren't the ones picking the team and especially this season where we have a super light schedule and literally playing 1 game a week I really don't wanna hear any weak excuses or deflections trying to absolve the coach of any blame for us losing that match.
 
Chronic said:
And how long will that same 11 last? Teams have an extended squad for a reason. People should come in and fill a role. Cant play the same handful all season unless they have zero injuries and have superhuman stamina. Sooner or later the extended squad will be called upon. At least now it is obvious that some money needs to be spent in the window.
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Brother, what are you even trying to say here?

You're talking as if we have players that have been run into the ground and we're in March, we're in August and we have a fully fit squad bar Bentancur, the players have had adequate rest from Bournemouth so they should be all fresh AND we have Burnley at the weekend not a NLD.

If that was a mid week CL match no-way is he starting with that 11 so why are we trying to excuse this?
 
Shadydan said:
I don't put what's happened in the past on the same page as what happened last night. You may say there's been one constant as to why we've gone out the cups over the years but it's been a multitude of reasons why and everyone needs to take their fair share of blame including the board.

Last night was on the manager and that's that, you can blame the board all you want for previous exits but they aren't the ones picking the team and especially this season where we have a super light schedule and literally playing 1 game a week I really don't wanna hear any weak excuses or deflections trying to absolve the coach of any blame for us losing that match.
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That would make sense if it was a one off. It’s not it’s been happening for 2 decades with or without Europe. Until we as a club demand to win cups and to make them a priority this will continue into the next manager and the manager after that.
 
Top_Spur said:
There's a big difference to losing on a penalty shoot out where the 90mins has finished 1-1 compared to getting battered 3-0 with a 'B team/squad' players.

He's 4 games into a four year contract. I'm shocked that fans can't see why he selected a more rotated side. It's well documented we have a tonne load of players, how do you think he's gonna manage that squad and keep the harmony if he just selects his first 11 each match. In an ideal world that would be the case but there was never a chance of that happening.

In a way the problem is this over bloated squad we have. It's ridiculous the amount of players we have on the books still.
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Sigh...You've missed the point again, I just literally explained it's not solely about the result, it's about the intention but nvm.
 
Tomo said:
That would make sense if it was a one off. It’s not it’s been happening for 2 decades with or without Europe. Until we as a club demand to win cups and to make them a priority this will continue into the next manager and the manager after that.
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Yup last night was entirely the board's fault you're right :thumbup:
 
Shadydan said:
Yup last night was entirely the board's fault you're right :thumbup:
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You’re really not getting are you.

If every manager plays the kids or the second string where do you think that comes from?

If every manager at spurs thinks the cups are a test ground and does everything to get into Europe via the league where do you think that comes from?

If Jose gets sacked days before playing a final what message does that send (not that I am his biggest fan)?

Of course Ange and the players could have done better but we will be in the same position with the next manager and the one after that just as we have been with most of our prior managers. Until we as a club make cup success a priority the cups will be treated as they are.
 
Top_Spur said:
How?

So you're saying that the manager who has WON trophies at every club he's been at, the players selected, professional footballers had no intention to win that football match last night?

No intention?

Come on.
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Mate come on be real, do you think if that was a Champions League match he would have selected that lineup? No manager puts Dane Scarlett on in the 2nd half if they want to win that match when you have Bissouma and Destiny on the bench for example.

The guy literally said that he's trying to get more of a look of his players after the match and I actually believe him otherwise nothing else would explain the lineup, that was his intention.
 
Shadydan said:
Brother, what are you even trying to say here?

You're talking as if we have players that have been run into the ground and we're in March, we're in August and we have a fully fit squad bar Bentancur, the players have had adequate rest from Bournemouth so they should be all fresh AND we have Burnley at the weekend not a NLD.

If that was a mid week CL match no-way is he starting with that 11 so why are we trying to excuse this?
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I understand what you are saying. The first team should have been able to turn up at the cup game, but AP needs to blood a host of players. He needs a full squad to make it through the year. He needs people to step up and play a role. I think he overestimated the depth of his squad. (But what do I know?)
But if you say there were too many changes for that game, I would agree....but never bet against Ange. I have and done my money most times.
 
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