Absolute nonsense. We went full season unbeaten at white hart lane. We had the two best full backs in Europe at the time. Prime toby and jan. prime eriksen Kane dele. Moussa fucking dembelle. There’s no reason at all that we shouldn’t have won anything with that squad. It was a complete travesty
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Manager Mauricio Pochettino
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Absolute nonsense. We went full season unbeaten at white hart lane. We had the two best full backs in Europe at the time. Prime toby and jan. prime eriksen Kane dele. Moussa fucking dembelle. There’s no reason at all that we shouldn’t have won anything with that squad. It was a complete travesty
You're talking absolute rubbish.
He makes a habit of it.
Take your point, but from memory we rarely saw this collection of players on the pitch together.
The fact that you can’t even come up with a retort shows that I’m not.
Also, the team you posted to illustrate how Pochettino didn’t have inferior players to our rivals is frankly laughable. The team you put up was available to him for what, maybe half a season in his entire reign here?
You conveniently leave out that he routinely had to play players of the level of Dier, Davies, Sanchez, Sissoko, Lamela, a crocked post 16/17 Wanyama etc etc etc in big games.
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Only because of Rose's injury. The rest of those played in 30+ PL matches in 16/17. 17/18 we had more injuries.
What other players has the great coach Pochettino developed?
Pochettino was a fantastic head coach for several years and supplied us with some of the best years this century. But a lot of times I feel like the myth built around him is exaggerated. Since leaving, he's not exactly proven that all Levy needed to do to win trophies was give Poch what he wanted and get out of the way.
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I will always have a soft spot for Poch, not only because of the football but because he was a genuinely decent and likeable manager. However, those years were really lightning in a bottle with both Poch and the group of players we were somehow able to get (including Harry), given our patchy record on player acquisition and management.
Some blokes, like that Glaston fella, keep calling for Poch, like he would undoubtedly do better than Ange with what we have right now.
Some blokes, like that Glaston fella, keep calling for Poch, like he would undoubtedly do better than Ange with what we have right now.
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Not really sure that is relevant but Mourinho got them to a final and then got sacked. He built the team but couldn’t get them over the line. Should never have started Kane in the CL final. Made some bad decisions generally and I don’t believe he has what it takes.
Time will tell but it is still a fact he won fuck all.
Lol he played Son as a LWB in the cup semi and kept Walker on the bench and then played Vorm in goal a year later when we had Lloris sitting on the bench.
I get the fact that he was up against financially doped teams but he need to take his fare share of the blame why we didn't win.
That 2016/17 season Woolwich won the cup and they finished 6th!
We had the best full backs in Europe for HALF A SEASON.
For most of Pochs tenure, he had to play full backs of the level of Trippier Aurier and Ben Davies. You talk as if we had the “best full backs in Europe” for his entire tenure.
Mousa Dembele was a colossus but he was often not fully fit, Poch often had to play with midfielders like Sissoko and Dier as a DM as well as a crocked Wanyama post 16/17.
The revisionism in an attempt to find someone else to blame rather than the obvious person never fails to astound me.
It’s not revisionism. You talk about Davies and Trippier as if they were complete shit. Both internationals and Tripps recently touted on here as the best full back in the league at the moment!
Most level headed spurs fans realise there were challenges for Poch, not least two transfer windows without a signing but, when it came to the crunch, he came up short.
It wasn’t all the boards fault. It wasn’t all Poch’s fault. That IS possible you know? But still, he won nothing and honestly, in my opinion at least hasn’t yet proved he will be elite level winning trophies
We had the best defensive record n the league over a 24 month period.
Trippier & Davies were rotating regularly at our peak and we were still maintaining our level of play. In fact Rose v Davies results are VERY evenly balanced. Meanwhile Tripper is being heralded as a top FB even today at 33. They both served as excellent back-ups (i.e. Good squad depth!).
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Walker played 105 games for Poch (despite missing a lot of his first season through injury).
Rose played 85 (pre injury) for Poch.
"Half a season" = BS!
The extent that a certain person lives rent free in heads like yours - regardless of the topic - "astounds" me.
Levy has no direct relevance to how good any individual players were or weren't.
You talk about "revisionism", but why did people like you spend most of Poch's tenure shitting themselves about all our players being sold if they were so inferior?
"Bad bald man's gonna gonna sell all of Poch's players from underneath him - WAH!"
Love Poch's time here and wish him no ill-will now (Chavs can fuck right off, but that's another matter).... That squad was absolutely good enough to at least win a cup of some description though.
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Davies is a mid/lower half PL player at best, and Trippier is a mid table RB whom we rightly sold.
Of course Poch made mistakes, but the levels the man was working with his hands behind his back was astounding (2 transfer windows without a signing as you point out!!)
You speak about “he’s not elite level at winning trophies” which is fair enough that’s your opinion, but do you forget we then hired 2 managers after him who ARE elite level at winning trophies and they also failed miserably at our club?
Poch had better players (and squad) than both of them...
Did he? Mourinho had Aurier Davies Toby Jan Rose, all the players you said were good enough?
Or are they all of a sudden inferior now?
Moving goalposts eh?
No not forgotten that at all. And as I said blame doesn’t lie fully in either camp. Your comments about the full backs are laughable though. Come on, be honest, that’s over reaching
Disingenuous bollocks.
- Toby was declining rapidly over the course of Jose's time.
- Jan was finished and shaping up to leave.
- Davies had big spells out injured during Jose's run.
- I made no prior mention of Aurier.
....And Rose was a broken player by then (which I already made a point of acknowledging by only citing his pre-injury appearance numbers).
Poch had:
PEAK Toby & Jan
PEAK, pre-injury Rose
Trippier & Davies as STRONG backups (not starters)
PEAK Dembele
PEAK Dele
PEAK Eriksen
PRIME Walker (albeit improving even further under Pep)
+ A Kane that could still run & press.
Drop the bullshitty, dishonest rubbish.
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