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Transfers January Transfer Thread 2024

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Richard Arlison said:
Not according to our manager, otherwise why sanction him leaving? Unless you claim to know better than the manager which players are useful or not?
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Sanchez wasn't keen on staying

Ange probably thought playing one game a week, we might have one CB out very unlikely two out at same time.

We have Davies who plays LCB for Wales, Dier and possibly Phillips available to play CB plus Royal at a stretch.

Its low risk to let Sanchez leave after window closes and not get in a replacement until January - so no drama if he leaves
 
Richard Arlison said:
Not according to our manager, otherwise why sanction him leaving? Unless you claim to know better than the manager which players are useful or not?
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Well that's on the manager then because he was happy to have him as 3rd choice before he was sold.

Maybe he was ready to accelerate the rebuild so that in future windows it leaves the club no choice but to get a replacement in in the next window, he won't be the first manager who did that.

Maybe he's not a pussyhole like Conte or Jose and backs his judgement and his standing at a club and knows how to rebuild a team which means you need to go through initial growing pains before things start to improve.
 
TomHotspur said:
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Liverpool agree deal to sign Virgil van Dijk from Southampton for £75m

Liverpool have agreed a £75m deal to sign Virgil van Dijk from Southampton.
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Liverpool agreed a deal to sign Van Dijk on 27th of December.

Considering the situation we currently have at CB, not acting in a similarly urgent manner shows the difference in a nutshell between the way the two clubs are run.
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Just to play Devil's Advocate, didn't Liverpool end up signing VVD 6 months late as opposed to a few days early, after getting caught out, punished, apologising and dropping their pursuit in the Summer TW???
 
I'm trying to reconcile both sides into some middle-ground here - what about this:

- we were all disappointed not to get another CB last summer. We appreciate that not everything is always possible, but it was disappointing nonetheless, and most on here would agree the club should have done more to make that happen. Perhaps we thought Phillips or Dorrington would be the answer, and perhaps the club did too, but if so and it didn't pan out that way, then that must be on the club.

- however we have also been hit by incredibly bad luck, having suspensions and long term injuries to both of our starting two, and at the same time, meaning that any errors or additional risks of not buying another CB were made to kick us as hard as possible. The bad luck has turned any such 'error' into a very difficult situation (I won't say disaster because we're actually still doing well), and a much bigger deal than it would have been if they'd both stayed fit.

Is that a fair summary?
 
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VonnegutBusy said:
I love the bi-annual visits from the business gurus breaking down transactions.

Deals can be done extremely quickly if you establish the true selling price and pay it.

This should have been negotiated in Nov/Dec with terms all agreed on player side. Then you pay a slight premium to get him in the door Jan 1st.

Otherwise you continue to play this back and forth and delay the signing. In the process you lose the chance to bed him in vs Burnley and mean you throw him into a debut at Old Trafford.

Fine to record a 3m saving using this approach but what about if that leads to worse outcomes in the next two games - was it worth it?
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What do you do if you approach the other club in Nov/Dec, and they tell you that they're not prepared to talk to you until the window is open?
 
scarletjim said:
I guess so, yes. :)

My point was that you had said "the question is if it's possible or been done before", but that's simply not true, it's disingenuous, no one had asked that, everyone was aware that in very rare cases some such deals have happened, but most people are also aware that there are many factors causing such rapid deals to not happen, as can be proven by the fact that 99% (or whatever) of transfers take longer for all clubs.

It's humble of you to say that you don't see yourself as any better than the neanderthals on here, but you definitely are in my opinion, that's the only reason I find it frustrating when you either can't see other views, or deliberately make statements like the one above which are just totally untrue / misleading to onscure or play down other views.

I'm sort of paying you a backhanded compliment I think - I honestly believe you are 'better', certainly intellectually and football-wise, than your 'debating style' sometimes suggests! Take that as you wish! 😂

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It's not that those points aren't understandable. For someone with the patience to make an effort to consider all the context then of course they are understandable.

The missing context is the recent history of this club's operations and every single manager getting left short in ways that costs the team points. It's happened so often it looks more like a feature than a bug.

The club deserve a lot of credit for the way they recruited for this manager and the long-term planning behind the likes of Sarr and Udogie. But they have been leaving managers short since Jose and Poch. They left Ange short at CB this summer and it cost us points when we were top of the table.

People can say Liverpool signing VVD was extenuating circumstances because they failed in the summer. Yeah, that's exactly what we did with the 3rd CB in the summer. Everyone has stepped up, from FB's playing CB, to the coaching staff adapting so minimize the damage of being short at CB but we will likely go into Burnley in the FA Cup with 4 FBs again.
 
Richard Arlison said:
It's not that those points aren't understandable. For someone with the patience to make an effort to consider all the context then of course they are understandable.

The missing context is the recent history of this club's operations and every single manager getting left short in ways that costs the team points. It's happened so often it looks more like a feature than a bug.

The club deserve a lot of credit for the way they recruited for this manager and the long-term planning behind the likes of Sarr and Udogie. But they have been leaving managers short since Jose and Poch. They left Ange short at CB this summer and it cost us points when we were top of the table.

People can say Liverpool signing VVD was extenuating circumstances because they failed in the summer. Yeah, that's exactly what we did with the 3rd CB in the summer. Everyone has stepped up, from FB's playing CB, to the coaching staff adapting so minimize the damage of being short at CB but we will likely go into Burnley in the FA Cup with 4 FBs again.
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I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of that (though I would say that probably every manager at every club feels they have been left short in one position or other, whatever they may say to the press - everyone always wants more, every squad can always be improved, and our situation has obvsiously been made so much worse by bad luck with injuries) - but all that aside, none of what you've written above makes it any easier to get a deal done on 1st January, that's the point people were making earlier, and is what was originally being discussed. Again, it might sometimes be possible to do a deal very early, but there are a great many reasons why it might not be possible.
 
Shadydan said:
Well that's on the manager then because he was happy to have him as 3rd choice before he was sold.

Maybe he was ready to accelerate the rebuild so that in future windows it leaves the club no choice but to get a replacement in in the next window, he won't be the first manager who did that.

Maybe he's not a pussyhole like Conte or Jose and backs his judgement and his standing at a club and knows how to rebuild a team which means you need to go through initial growing pains before things start to improve.
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LOL

You are done in this thread for today mate. Or at least I'm done with you if that's what you are reaching for.

Better luck next time.
 
Richard Arlison said:
We needed a 3rd CB in the summer and flopped it. Cost us points so we needed one done early in January.
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What cost us points is the match v Chelsea where we lost - Van de Ven, Romero, Maddison and Udogie for varying lengths of time....... followed next match by a GBH tackle taking Bentancur out.

I've never seen 4 players taken out in one match or 5 players taken out in 2 matches before ! Have you ?
 
scarletjim said:
I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of that (though I would say that probably every manager at every club feels they have been left short in one position or other, whatever they may say to the press - everyone always wants more, every squad can always be improved) - but none of what you've written above makes it any easier to get a deal done on 1st January, that's the point people were making earlier, and is what was originally being discussed.
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Right and that's why the VVD deal is the perfect comparison. Getting that deal done before Jan opened wasn't easy either and it was the difference between them overtaking us and becoming a winning club whilst we got left behind.

Winning isn't easy. It requires things that aren't easy to do.
 
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