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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
StripiestPilot said:
Too much talk about needing new players. It’s not about that. Not when you’re as bad as we currently are.

The players don’t play with courage anymore, they’ve said that themselves and Ange has said that they don’t seem to believe in the football anymore. That’s clear when you watch the games. In the space of a few months we’ve reached the same low point as during the end of the Poch/Mou/Nuno/Conte eras. A totally lifeless team.

The manager has to get them believing again and get the feeling brave enough to play his football. If he can’t do that then he will have to go. There’s no point having a manager who can’t translate his ideas to the pitch. He did it for the first 10 games but that was the easy part, everyone was just glad to have a new manager and opponents didn’t know how to deal with us. That’s all worn off now and there is no novelty factor anymore, opponents know what we want to do. Either we play better or we play differently. If Ange can’t get them doing either of those things then we aren’t going to win another game.
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Absolutely.

I'm all for giving him a chance, and he has too many square pegs for round holes. He hasn't been able to fully assert his ideals with the squad.

However.

He refuses to prepare for the opposition, is clearly actively stubborn (or naive) and the players he has are refusing to adhere to his limited game play. The players have lost belief at the least, which is the path to losing the dressing room. He looked absolutely defeated last night. This fucking club.

We ALL know how this will probably be next season, but we will be left with loads of players that he bought, having to start the cycle again.

I like the guy but I think he's way out of his depth and isn't the one to lead a rebuild. But I don't know who is. We are fucked lol.
 
Murphy said:
Burnley wil be gone by the time we play them and Kompany will probably play kids. Who will care.

The blades practically have rolled over for everyone this year except us. Their last home game of the season.

Neither game will be easy wins and we clearly have very little fight.
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Ok, chalk off wins against relegation fodder then.

It's all a little angsty in here isn't it.
 
The alarm bells were ringing for me after the Chelsea home defeat where I stated it was pure madness to play a high line with 9 men (and Dier at CB) and showed a level of stubbornnes as he wasn't willing/able to deviate from his favoured tactic. I didn't think any other manager in world football would have continued to adopt that tactic in that situation and I stand by that.

I find him an extremely arrogant man who gets away with it by using humour to mask the arrogance so it's not as noticeable. The mask is slipping with that though in his post match interviews.

In regards to his managerial style it's just not sustainable. It can work initially but once teams are aware of the tactic and adapt then its extremely easy to counter. His assistance to continuously play the EXTREMLEY high line, to insist on both wingers going on the outside, to not change the midfield situation and maybe abandon the '10' position when we are consistently under pressure, to insist on the full backs being midfielders thus leaving holes galore...it just doesn't resemble a manager of premier league standard.

The final straw for me is his responses to defending set pieces. He first came out with the quote stating he leaves it to Ryan Mason and Jedinak and doesn't believe in specialist coaches for set pieces (which imo is wrong being that neither have the credentials to organise set pieces defending/attacking) but he is allowed this opinion. Then in a post match interview he made a point to congratulate Mason for us scoring from a set piece and spoke about the work done in training in regards to attacking set pieces (he actually started congratulating him during the goal and started pointing at him). As soon the world realised we were absolutely awful defending them he adopted a very defensive approach and decided to downplay the importance of set pieces (well defending them anyway).

Things is he won't ever change it and suddenly decide to hire a specialist set piece coach and will continue with Mason and Jedinak because his too stubborn and arrogant to concede he got it wrong.
 
The thing is how long do fans put up with it. We haven't had a lot of games to play this season . Apart from the first 10 games it's been pretty poor below average. I don't know how we are 5th to be honest. The Liverpool and city games will be massive to him the other games also but more so.if we get turned over 3 and 4s I could see him walking he was even questioning himself yesterday saying the message is not getting through
 
williams316 said:
The thing is how long do fans put up with it. We haven't had a lot of games to play this season . Apart from the first 10 games it's been pretty poor below average. I don't know how we are 5th to be honest. The Liverpool and city games will be massive to him the other games also but more so.if we get turned over 3 and 4s I could see him walking he was even questioning himself yesterday saying the message is not getting through
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Break a 4 year lucrative contract at 58.....you havin' a laugh?
 
Always the same thing with this club lately. Every thing is going fine like when jose had us top of the league, when conte came in and we were looking good then ange first 10 games but as soon as we hit a bump the players don't want it anymore.

Jose said same coach, different players

Conte said they don't like to play under pressure.

Ange said the the message isnt getting through

Levy never fully backing his man is a big part of the problem as well.
 
Sir Ledders said:
Always the same thing with this club lately. Every thing is going fine like when jose had us top of the league, when conte came in and we were looking good then ange first 10 games but as soon as we hit a bump the players don't want it anymore.

Conte was right, they don't like to play under pressure. Also doesnt help that levy never actually backs his man.
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Not so easy to change a culture when 80% of the squad are from the old guard.
 
StripiestPilot said:
Too much talk about needing new players. It’s not about that. Not when you’re as bad as we currently are.

The players don’t play with courage anymore, they’ve said that themselves and Ange has said that they don’t seem to believe in the football anymore. That’s clear when you watch the games. In the space of a few months we’ve reached the same low point as during the end of the Poch/Mou/Nuno/Conte eras. A totally lifeless team.

The manager has to get them believing again and get the feeling brave enough to play his football. If he can’t do that then he will have to go. There’s no point having a manager who can’t translate his ideas to the pitch. He did it for the first 10 games but that was the easy part, everyone was just glad to have a new manager and opponents didn’t know how to deal with us. That’s all worn off now and there is no novelty factor anymore, opponents know what we want to do. Either we play better or we play differently. If Ange can’t get them doing either of those things then we aren’t going to win another game.
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If the players feel they have the luxury to stop believing in the football during a season then they are shit losers and we need to boo them out of this club.


I’m fucking sick of players always being the excuse to sack another manager. They are the ones not performing
 
I’m still in the Ange camp but I do think he needs to overcome his inherent arrogance and look at himself, his attitude and his practices. He should be easy on himself and accept that he has stepped higher than he ever has, he is a new manager in the Premier League, learning his trade and needs to accept that he has much to learn.
 
Nuts said:
I've only just read this:

In my experience, the true belief comes when you’ve got the majority of the squad and staff [to a point] where if I didn’t turn up, they would still go about things in the same way. I don’t think we’re at the majority yet.

So a fair amount of them don't have faith. There are two players who seem to and that's Romero, the World Cup winner, and his compadre, VDV. They're playing the aggressive game. We need to recruit others like them if this is going to work. The ones who aren't buying in (including the coaching staff) need to go.

Or we sack Ange and hope yet another manager can come in and save us before they're sacked. Rinse repeat. The powers that be need to think hard on this one and resist being swayed by the current mood.
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My question is what influence is there in the dressing room that has got some of the others not believing anymore?

Is it a player? A coach? Another member of staff with access to the players?

Either way there is a rotten culture in that club that has been there too long.
 
Tomo said:
That basically dooms us to permanent 6-18 months manager cycles. We will never build anything.

Probably only one period I can remember during Poch when our team had good mentality, at a pinch a short period under Conte.
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No manager can survive losing every week. That’s the reality.

Principles are all well and good and the best managers are stubborn just like Ange, but winning games is still the most important thing.

We are finding it extremely difficult to beat even the bottom feeder teams, it shouldn’t be this hard. Even in the stuttering early days of Klopp/Arteta/Pep, they had plenty of routine wins and clean sheets. We are having to sweat blood till the last second just to beat Luton at home and we let literally everybody score easy goals against us. If it doesn’t change then it will only end one way. We are supposed to get better as time goes on, not worse.
 
Two Left Feet said:
I’m still in the Ange camp but I do think he needs to overcome his inherent arrogance and look at himself, his attitude and his practices. He should be easy on himself and accept that he has stepped higher than he ever has, he is a new manager in the Premier League, learning his trade and needs to accept that he has much to learn.
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Not the best sell to a new or existing player though is it?

"Hey, I'm new to this shit, want to come play for me?"

Press Conferences/Media Appearances are theatre anyway.
 
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