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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Mariner said:
This is even more weird? What’s he playing at and what is he so triggered about? Is he feeling the pressure of the losses and non performance.

And if that’s what the fan said to him a per petitionit should be started to get that ejection revoked.

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Yeah, this is gaslighting. Whoever is spinning it needs to stop.

I categorically do not accept the point that is being made. Losing that game was the best outcome. I would expect any fan of any other side to think the same. If the Chavs we’re playing City and a win meant our first league title in 60 years, I would fully expect every fan in Stamford Bridge to be supporting City.

I’m just not having it. This Corinthian nonsense about how the game *should* be approached. It’s tribal. We love our side and we hate the opposition. That level of hate may vary, but it’s the lifeblood of the sport and it drives our support.

Now, people may disagree on how that needing to lose should have been expressed. Ok. Fair enough. Stone cold silence rather than cheers. Whatever. Put alcohol in people and behaviour will vary.

But this bullshit needs to stop. There’s fuck all wrong with the foundations of this club. In fact, if you haven’t got a healthy level of hate, your foundations are weak.
 
Judging over a certain period of games is pointless anyway. Too many mitigating circumstances.

First 10? Amazing. 26/30 points possible. The best ever start to a Premier League campaign by a new manager and by Spurs. But some will have you believe it's because he was new, an unknown quantity and no one knew what to expect. Despite the league apparently consisting of the best coaches in world football and all the technology at hand to tell them what we do.

Next 5? Not so good. 1 draw and 4 losses. But again, injury ravaged. Emerson and Davies at centre back.

The following 16 after that? Pretty good. 10 wins, 3 draws and 3 losses (1 away at Brighton when we were missing Romero, van de Ven, Maddison, Bissouma and Bentancur and has to play Davies/Royal at CB). Highlight being a destruction of Villa away from home. We mustered up just over 2 PPG during this period. About 78 points over the course of a season.

Then the last 6? Well, we all know the results. But then we were playing the two best teams in the country (Woolwich and City) and two teams in which we never win away from home (Liverpool and Chelsea).

Ultimately, he'll be judged on a 38 game season. Not 5 games here and there picked and chosen throughout a campaign. And he's on course for getting 66 points, qualifying for Europe all whilst joining the club in the midst of protests, losing his best player, an unsuitable squad and dealing with an injury crisis I've never seen at the club before and probably never will.

Next season though is the true judgement. Because now he's seen it and breathed it. He has experience to go off and build on. He knows who's capable and who isn't.
 
From looking at Ange’s comments I’m wondering if he is ready to jump ship. He has to understand the rivalry in football and especially between Woolwich and our beloved team.
If he stays that’s great with me but good luck to him when he asks that baldy (baldy myself) wee git for money.
 
TheSpurEst said:
But that mentality should be changed with actually winning stuff.
Not shitting your pants in first round of the cup against Fulham and then point fingers at fans or whatnot.

It is down to HIM to help us deliver trophies and success.
Yet his comments seems like he is somewhere above from what we are at the club. He is part of that trophyless run, mate.
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The guy has been here for a year, I will give him a chance to change that.
 
Starks said:
Judging over a certain period of games is pointless anyway. Too many mitigating circumstances.

First 10? Amazing. 26/30 points possible. The best ever start to a Premier League campaign by a new manager and by Spurs. But some will have you believe it's because he was new, an unknown quantity and no one knew what to expect. Despite the league apparently consisting of the best coaches in world football and all the technology at hand to tell them what we do.

Next 5? Not so good. 1 draw and 4 losses. But again, injury ravaged. Emerson and Davies at centre back.

The following 16 after that? Pretty good. 10 wins, 3 draws and 3 losses (1 away at Brighton when we were missing Romero, van de Ven, Maddison, Bissouma and Bentancur and has to play Davies/Royal at CB). Highlight being a destruction of Villa away from home. We mustered up just over 2 PPG during this period. About 78 points over the course of a season.

Then the last 6? Well, we all know the results. But then we were playing the two best teams in the country (Woolwich and City) and two teams in which we never win away from home (Liverpool and Chelsea).

Ultimately, he'll be judged on a 38 game season. Not 5 games here and there picked and chosen throughout a campaign. And he's on course for getting 66 points, qualifying for Europe all whilst joining the club in the midst of protests, losing his best player, an unsuitable squad and dealing with an injury crisis I've never seen at the club before and probably never will.

Next season though is the true judgement. Because now he's seen it and breathed it. He has experience to go off and build on. He knows who's capable and who isn't.
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Should basically close this thread until next Christmas after this post.
 
AberdeenYid said:
I’m not sure we need to take a match against a very good Liverpool side, at a stadium we win at once every couple of decades, as a guide.

Even if we do, why should he suddenly stop believing in his principles? Didn’t we employ him in the first place because of his belief in playing attacking football?

Fine to say that hasn’t always worked, but didn’t you expect a bit of pain this season? Or did you expect us to roll over everyone?
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1. Liverpool arent very good right now. They're imploding and have nothing to play for. And it wasn't the result at anfield, it was the naive set up and tactics. Three stodgy midfielders, no number 10, Emerson inverted left back, and insisting to play nice passy ball through the best press in the league without good enough technical players. Such a naive approach. Play VDV as a conventional left back and Gio instead of Bissouma, Richy up top, and go long to Kulu once in a while, and I guarantee you we get a different result.

2. There's a middle ground between being principled and pragmatic. Nobody's asking Ange to ditch the possession game and play like Mourinho. But maybe just dont play stupid high line football with 9 men? Or play one of your inverted fullbacks a little deeper when we're up against the best wingers in the world?
 
TheSpurEst said:
Alright.
Now go back do drawing board and answer this question - in how many of these seasons did we play as little as 41 games too?!?

This was the result of NO European football and extremely early bottlejobs in cups. Despite that results have been poor and we currently have averaged 1,5 points per game in 2nd half of the season with one game to play.

Also when you have the records available, also maybe you can say how many 2nd halves to EPL seasons we've done with 1 clean sheet or less? Cause right now we've conceded 33 goals in 18 games which is 1,83 goals per game. That is despite having WC winner from Argentina and Holland national team defender who is fastest player in EPL making up our central defensive partnership.
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I never said it was a perfect season.

I simply replied to a comment that said we've not had worse form in 20 years. Which was incorrect.

I don't think our injuries have helped. I don't think waiting an average 8+ days between games has helped us out either. (sometimes 2 weeks).

I think alot of our defensive issues stem from our forward line being rubbish and unable to create chances and threaten and the high turnovers they cause by being so wasteful, which in turn has opponents countering.

There's been plenty of issues this season with regards to defensive issues (even though our defensive record from open play with our strongest back five is pretty great), set pieces, decision making, injuries, suspensions, international breaks. But I think it's been a good season, that promised more.

I look forward to next.
 
By the way, one of the pleasing things about this discussion is how it underlines how irrelevant City are.

No one gives a shit about them. Let them win. Whatever. A plastic shell of sports washing nonsense. Doesn’t raise a single eyebrow.

But little old Spurs. We boil everyone’s piss. Especially our own.
 
Klaus said:
1. Liverpool arent very good right now. They're imploding and have nothing to play for. And it wasn't the result at anfield, it was the naive set up and tactics. Three stodgy midfielders, no number 10, Emerson inverted left back, and insisting to play nice passy ball through the best press in the league without good enough technical players. Such a naive approach. Play VDV as a conventional left back and Gio instead of Bissouma, Richy up top, and go long to Kulu once in a while, and I guarantee you we get a different result.

2. There's a middle ground between being principled and pragmatic. Nobody's asking Ange to ditch the possession game and play like Mourinho. But maybe just dont play stupid high line football with 9 men? Or maybe play one of your inverted fullbacks a little deeper when we're up against the best teams in the world?
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Liverpool aren’t very good, but are one of the best teams in the world?

We all have opinions on how we play and who should play, but none of us can come close to guaranteeing results.
 
Klaus said:
1. Liverpool arent very good right now. They're imploding and have nothing to play for. And it wasn't the result at anfield, it was the naive set up and tactics. Three stodgy midfielders, no number 10, Emerson inverted left back, and insisting to play nice passy ball through the best press in the league without good enough technical players. Such a naive approach. Play VDV as a conventional left back and Gio instead of Bissouma, Richy up top, and go long to Kulu once in a while, and I guarantee you we get a different result.

2. There's a middle ground between being principled and pragmatic. Nobody's asking Ange to ditch the possession game and play like Mourinho. But maybe just dont play stupid high line football with 9 men? Or play one of your inverted fullbacks a little deeper when we're up against the best wingers in the world?
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The problem isn’t that he never adjusts the plan tactically. The problem is that the moany Karen crew aren’t able to recognise the changes and adjustments and Ange doesn’t talk about them in press conferences, so when we get a bad result people just make lazy assumptions that we lost because the manager isn’t flexible.

Case in point that people are still referencing the Chelsea home game with 9 men because that was right in front of their faces so that’s what must have been happening ever since:


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Btw has Emery adjusted his high line principle now that teams have “figured him out”?
 
Bouncer said:
From looking at Ange’s comments I’m wondering if he is ready to jump ship. He has to understand the rivalry in football and especially between Woolwich and our beloved team.
If he stays that’s great with me but good luck to him when he asks that baldy (baldy myself) wee git for money.
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lol, he cant afford to jump ship.
 
AberdeenYid said:
Liverpool aren’t very good, but are one of the best teams in the world?

We all have opinions on how we play and who should play, but none of us can come close to guaranteeing results.
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The Scouse were on a pretty shite run of form until Dr Tottenham showed up at Anfield to cure their ills. Two wins, two draws and three losses.

Loss to Palace at home, loss to Everton and loss over two legs to Atalanta in the Europa League. Not exactly powerhouse teams.

But against us - what Klaus said.
 
Harrier said:
Who’s celebrating?

I’m just willing to give the guy a chance to build a team to get the results we all should want.

At some point we need to stick with a manager and try something different.
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Ok maybe not you personally but a few have been saying how well we played against Burnley while ignoring how crap we were against the Chavs, Newcastle, Scum, Fulham, Wolves etc

Oh I almost forgot
That surrender at Anfield where the Dippers didn’t have to get out of first gear!
 
AberdeenYid said:
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Yes? They are in a shit run of form and there's never been a better time to play them in 5 years. But equally they are still one of the best squads in the world and can hurt you if you set up as naively as we did. A result was there for the taking as Villa, Everton, United and Palace just showed but we played right into their hands.
 
Mariner said:
This is even more weird? What’s he playing at and what is he so triggered about? Is he feeling the pressure of the losses and non performance.

And if that’s what the fan said to him a per petitionit should be started to get that ejection revoked.

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What if it were a board member who joked about losing the game?

I don’t reckon it’s about the fans at all. I think it’s internal and he’s taken it all too seriously.
 
Cranston said:
Yeah, this is gaslighting. Whoever is spinning it needs to stop.

I categorically do not accept the point that is being made. Losing that game was the best outcome. I would expect any fan of any other side to think the same. If the Chavs we’re playing City and a win meant our first league title in 60 years, I would fully expect every fan in Stamford Bridge to be supporting City.

I’m just not having it. This Corinthian nonsense about how the game *should* be approached. It’s tribal. We love our side and we hate the opposition. That level of hate may vary, but it’s the lifeblood of the sport and it drives our support.

Now, people may disagree on how that needing to lose should have been expressed. Ok. Fair enough. Stone cold silence rather than cheers. Whatever. Put alcohol in people and behaviour will vary.

But this bullshit needs to stop. There’s fuck all wrong with the foundations of this club. In fact, if you haven’t got a healthy level of hate, your foundations are weak.
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Yeah you are spot on with your recent posts regarding this subject.

I'm baffled about the outcry around all this too. We as a fanbase are quite right to hold rivalry above winning one fucking football match which really wasn't guaranteeing us anything but would have caused us years of gloating from our biggest rival.

It's not like we've turned up in our droves this season not actively supporting the club on every occasion. It's just making a story out of something and trying to cause a drama. Like you quite rightly say, every other fan of their club would have acted the same but because it unfortunately was us it happened to involve it seems to be more of a drama.
 
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