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Transfers Summer Transfer thread - 2024

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Had a read on Villa talk and they are pretty sure the only way ramsey would only be sold to fund their own move for Eze

can’t see that one happening myself, he’s come through their academy and is an excellent young player. Unless they are still needing cash for PSR
 
Klaus said:
Because the market for #6's is dogshit.

Pretty much the only world class all round #6 right now is Rodri. Everyone else involves some sort of compromise, either defensively or on the ball.

Woolwich spent £100m on Rice before they realised he can't progress the football and they couldn't create any open play chances. Their season only kicked off when he was moved up to the #8 role, and they're already looking for a new #6 this summer given Jorginho's age.

Chelsea blew £110m on Caicedo. Difficult job going from RDZ structure to Poch chaos-ball, but still that's a lot of money for someone who couldn't adapt to a new style and shows the pitfalls of spending so much.

Liverpool also tried blowing their load on Caicedo too before settling on Endo, who was fine defensively but again weak in build up. Vice versa with Mac Allister. It was a position they struggled in all season.

United blew £70m on Casemiro who they're already trying to ship because, again, he can't build up possesion. Fine when it's Kroos taking on that responsibility, less so McTominay.

As for us, we started incredibly with Bissouma before he reverted to type and our season never fully recovered. Bentancur had moments but where he improves us there defensively he lacks in terms of build up, particularly receiving back to goal. Hojbjerg and Skipp have similar problems.

Maybe there's a chance Sarr could eventually convert himself to a #6, to me it looks like he has the raw attributes, but for now it seems he lacks the positional responsibility for the role.

So, when you look at our options this summer, either you pay £50m for a defensive rock like Onana, Ugarte or Palhinha and have to compromise on build up, or you sacrifice defensive solidity by getting someone like Vitinha and run the risk of your midfield getting run through every time the opposition counter attack.

Given our defensive structure on counters last season, the latter option doesn't thrill me, but then nor does watching guys like Onana plod about struggling to progress the ball in possession.

My preferred option would be to adjust the way we play to more of a double pivot. It removes the responsibility from any one player, and you can combine players with different skillsets so they compliment each other. Any of Bentancur, Gray, Sarr, Bissouma, Hojbjerg, Gio, Skipp could probably do a job in a double pivot in a way they wouldn't be able to as a solo #6.

I know it's not how Ange likes to set his teams up but frankly you play the cards you're dealt. Unless we're looking to sign Rodri this summer or Gray turns out to be Busquets reincarnated I don't see an alternative, other than blowing £50m on someone like Onana and accepting that we just won't be very good in possession as a result.
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Good post - so hard to find this player.
I think it will end up a sticking plaster job with Biss and Bents for a season or two to see how the young lads get on. Lot of people saying Gray could end up there but its ambitous to think he could do it f/t even after a year at Spurs.
 
Klaus said:
Because the market for #6's is dogshit.

Pretty much the only world class all round #6 right now is Rodri. Everyone else involves some sort of compromise, either defensively or on the ball.

Woolwich spent £100m on Rice before they realised he can't progress the football and they couldn't create any open play chances. Their season only kicked off when he was moved up to the #8 role, and they're already looking for a new #6 this summer given Jorginho's age.

Chelsea blew £110m on Caicedo. Difficult job going from RDZ structure to Poch chaos-ball, but still that's a lot of money for someone who couldn't adapt to a new style and shows the pitfalls of spending so much.

Liverpool also tried blowing their load on Caicedo too before settling on Endo, who was fine defensively but again weak in build up. Vice versa with Mac Allister. It was a position they struggled in all season.

United blew £70m on Casemiro who they're already trying to ship because, again, he can't build up possesion. Fine when it's Kroos taking on that responsibility, less so McTominay.

As for us, we started incredibly with Bissouma before he reverted to type and our season never fully recovered. Bentancur had moments but where he improves us there defensively he lacks in terms of build up, particularly receiving back to goal. Hojbjerg and Skipp have similar problems.

Maybe there's a chance Sarr could eventually convert himself to a #6, to me it looks like he has the raw attributes, but for now it seems he lacks the positional responsibility for the role.

So, when you look at our options this summer, either you pay £50m for a defensive rock like Onana, Ugarte or Palhinha and have to compromise on build up, or you sacrifice defensive solidity by getting someone like Vitinha and run the risk of your midfield getting run through every time the opposition counter attack.

Given our defensive structure on counters last season, the latter option doesn't thrill me, but then nor does watching guys like Onana plod about struggling to progress the ball in possession.

My preferred option would be to adjust the way we play to more of a double pivot. It removes the responsibility from any one player, and you can combine players with different skillsets so they compliment each other. Any of Bentancur, Gray, Sarr, Bissouma, Hojbjerg, Gio, Skipp could probably do a job in a double pivot in a way they wouldn't be able to as a solo #6.

I know it's not how Ange likes to set his teams up but frankly you play the cards you're dealt. Unless we're looking to sign Rodri this summer or Gray turns out to be Busquets reincarnated I don't see an alternative, other than blowing £50m on someone like Onana and accepting that we just won't be very good in possession as a result.
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Great post btw :)
 
Apparently Parrot is abcent from pre season training, and there's talk of him moving to Dutch club AZ Alkmaar. I read it on The Boy Hotspur website (no idea how reliable that is).
 
kingdawson said:
you're really not ok are you?

ok you didn't say word for word verbatim that you "REALLY" wanted him (that I can find) but you've clearly stated how much you want him (those 2 examples I've given above amongst a ton of posts about him).

YOUVE NEVER SEEN HIM PLAY ffs. Do you not understand how odd it is that you can make these claims about his supposed potential when you've never seen him? it beggars belief but crack on.
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You just make massive assumptions mate.

I've never said anything other than I can understand what kind of profile Doue is and why the club would want him. You've never found a post of me saying I want us to sign him because I haven't said it.

Gray yes I said I want us to sign him. Openda yes I said that I want us to sign him. Eze I have said i want us to sign him but sometimes I can't make my mind up because I know the club I support and 60m up front is basically our entire budget.


So, just in case you think you understand something from my posts, this is me fucking telling you exactly what I've been posting and exactly what I fucking think. Capiche?
 
Such a pity that Spence has not worked out. Would have ticked the back up right back box and homegrown player box. Royal and Reguilon sold then there would be funds for left side of defence. Neil Warnock warned spence not to be complacent, seems warnock was right
 
Hampshire Spur said:
Neto and eze would be fabulous signings.
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Mate, there is no chance in hell that Levy is signing off 60m lump sum on Eze AND 50m in installments on Neto is one summer for the forward line.

Not unless we managed to shift everyone we want to out the door for the money we want.

I still don't believe we see 2 attacking players but if we do it's because the payment terms are doable for Levynomics.
 
Starks said:
Looking on his Instagram., he's currently on holiday (or has just got back).

Edit - Ali Gold just confirmed he's actually injured.
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McCOYS said:
Apparently Parrot is abcent from pre season training, and there's talk of him moving to Dutch club AZ Alkmaar. I read it on The Boy Hotspur website (no idea how reliable that is).
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He's never going to make it at the club get a few million for him now and let him crack on with his career
 
Hulk said:
Good post - so hard to find this player.
I think it will end up a sticking plaster job with Biss and Bents for a season or two to see how the young lads get on. Lot of people saying Gray could end up there but its ambitous to think he could do it f/t even after a year at Spurs.
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Sarr is our long term #6
 
Richard Arlison said:
You just make massive assumptions mate.

I've never said anything other than I can understand what kind of profile Doue is and why the club would want him. You've never found a post of me saying I want us to sign him because I haven't said it.

Gray yes I said I want us to sign him. Openda yes I said that I want us to sign him. Eze I have said i want us to sign him but sometimes I can't make my mind up because I know the club I support and 60m up front is basically our entire budget.


So, just in case you think you understand something from my posts, this is me fucking telling you exactly what I've been posting and exactly what I fucking think. Capiche?
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you said Doue can be the heir to Son amongst other things.

Anyone on earth will assume you want us to sign him from that alone ffs. You also said we can get Doue and Gray for the same price as Eze...Anyone on earth would assume that would be your preference otherwise why the fuck would you mention it unprovoked.

You can have the opinion that he would be a good signing and that's fine but it's fucking weird maaking a comment saying he could be the heir to Son if you fucking haven't seen him play a game.
 
Also from the athletic

It was reported on Monday that both City and Tottenham Hotspur are ready to trigger the £60m release clause in Eberechi Eze’s Crystal Palace contract but while City strongly considered signing the player last summer, they are not currently planning a move ahead of the new season.
 
5purs said:
A starting No. 6 is the most important signing this summer. I can't understand why there aren't more members posting about this?

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You could argue that Bissouma is our only 'dedicated' number 6, although is he even a 6? Debatable. He had a few phenomenal games in Aug/Sept and appeared to be 'the man' and yet...

There must have been a reason Conte didn't play him, right?

Skipp - from 'future super star' to 'can't get a game'
Hojbjerg - to quote our esteemed members 'wage thief'
Bentancur - he can(?). much, much better further forward
Gray - is he a 6? No idea but it doesn't look like it, as with Rodrigo
Sarr - not one bit
Hall - Such a talent this lad, and he's signed until 2030! Go and watch him in full games on Spurs Play, honestly!

Whereas; Werner, Parrott, Solomon, Son, Moore, Richarlison, Veliz, Devine, Kulusevski, Johnson...

Sure, we might need upgrades here and there but who's our number 6?
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Whilst Bissouma does have his limitations, the No 6 market is really dry at the moment in terms of real quality. And, as you say, we have Tyrese Hall who could be a special talent if we develop him right.

To me, Bissouma’s tail off in form was due to many things. The sending off that seemed to affect his confidence and aura, the fact that we couldn’t rotate him effectively, and the biggest one - the failure of our press in the 2nd half of the season as we lost energy, and as a consequence loads of areas of our game suffered. There was simply too much space for one player to cover effectively as teams played through us on transition.

Hopefully another preseason, players more familiar with each other and the system, a more balanced squad so we can rotate and keep players fresh should help us to keep oppositions pinned in their own half more effectively and reduce the workload on the 6 as a whole. Finding the right player to challenge a Bissouma is needed but like CF, if we feel the quality is not attainable this window, I’d rather sit tight than add a “maybe”.
 
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