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I’m an anti stat idiot because stats lie like fuck. You can have 1 chance in the whole game and win 1-0. My eyes do tell me Brennan Johnson is the most frustrating player in our squad and does more shit things than good. My eyes do tell me Udogie doesn’t defend crosses well and switches off at the back post because he’s not got great awareness. My eyes tell me VDV is our quickest passer of the ball from the back. My eyes tell me Sonny is a shitebag with his bag to goal. I could go on. No stat can tell me what I see. Stats can go take a fuck to thenselves.
Agree with all that 100%, but stats can be useful for secondary viewpoints that your eyes might miss

Your being as polarising as the data stat nerds who can’t form their opinion
 

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Agree with all that 100%, but stats can be useful for secondary viewpoints that your eyes might miss

Your being as polarising as the data stat nerds who can’t form their opinion o

I can sympathize with the anti-stat guys although I would dispute the term ‘subjectivity’ as someone used it.
Right now, categories are generally very broad and not subjective enough. Not all forward passes are equal. A two yard pass from the half way line to a marked player who has no no choice but to play a return ball isn’t the same as a Hoddlesque pass that splits the defense and sets up a chance. Similarly, a ball cut back from the byline to an open man isn’t even a forward pass. Not all interceptions are equal. Not all tackles are equal.

The answer, I’m afraid old-timers, isn’t going to be fewer statistics but more. With the advent of AI, we’re going to be able to measure that subjectivity that doesn’t currently exist in many statistical elements.
 
Fucking hell…. I just read 25 pages of arguments about stats, eye tests, KDB…. and fuck all about transfers.
Next time, save yourself the trouble. Unless there's a thread in the General Football forum with the name of a player that until the day was a member of THFC, or a thread in the Tottenham Hotspur forum with the name of a player who until the day wasn't a member of THFC....there were no transfers.
 
I can sympathize with the anti-stat guys although I would dispute the term ‘subjectivity’ as someone used it.
Right now, categories are generally very broad and not subjective enough. Not all forward passes are equal. A two yard pass from the half way line to a marked player who has no no choice but to play a return ball isn’t the same as a Hoddlesque pass that splits the defense and sets up a chance. Similarly, a ball cut back from the byline to an open man isn’t even a forward pass. Not all interceptions are equal. Not all tackles are equal.

The answer, I’m afraid old-timers, isn’t going to be fewer statistics but more. With the advent of AI, we’re going to be able to measure that subjectivity that doesn’t currently exist in many statistical elements.
The metrics haven't captured it quite yet, but, as you say - with AI now able to be put to use crunching data far more efficiently than people ever could, the metrics will soon firm up.

Unfortunately for football, that will lead to some output that will be the equivalent to basketball statistical models showing that the way to win a game is to just shoot more 3's and then the sport will fundamentally change.

Stats aren't the end all and be all, simply a tool to identify the most efficient means to reach achieve a target - scoring more goals than you concede.

I suspect in coming years we'll see more intentional, controlled turnovers. The data says your chances of scoring a goal decline as you possess the ball. Breaking down defences, especially is well matched leagues like the PL is difficult. Teams will invest in breakaways, direct play, intentional turnovers, and pressing.

If you don't score in the first few direct attacking movements immediately after a turnover, either take a long shot searching for a mistake/deflection/handball/corner or recycle to the back, hoof the ball forward, and press like he'll to try and create a turnover.
 
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