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Transfers Summer Transfer thread - 2024

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How Dry should our Powder be?

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Spursidol said:
Yup, Maddison wasn't on song, and Kulusevski was the only other player to score much from midfield (stats below obviously show both when he played CM and RW), with Sarr chipping in a few too.


PlayerGoalsAssistsTotal Goal Involvements
Son171027
Richarlison11415
Johnson51015
Maddison4913
Kulusevski8311
Porro3710
Sarr336
Udogie235
Romero505
Werner235 (half season)


Worth saying that our total scored wasn't bad at all versus recent season averages - with 5 OG's !

But more goals in 24/5 definitely preferable.
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xA (expected assists) is a more useful stat than assists. The latter is dependent on whether the goalscorer's finishing ability.

Here's our team by xA:

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Kulu should have got almost 6 more assists than he had. That would have put his total output at 16 G/A last season, worth noting for those who think we should sell him.

Son too would have seen his total rise to 30 G/A.

Brennan's would fall to about 12 G/A. Still solid but speaks to the fact that his assists were bumped up by some wonder strikes, like Porro vs Sheff Utd.

Maddison's would also fall, down to only 9 G/A for the season. Concerning given he was regularly putting up at least 20 G/A for Leicester.

We need those two to improve their output considerably if we're to up our goals scored.

Source: Tottenham xG stats for the 2023/2024 season | Understat.com
 
Richard Arlison said:
Your logic is because Ndombele and Lo celso cost us 60m, we should never sign a player over 60m again?

Have I understood what you are saying
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This ridiculous argument gets peddled a lot on here mate. The notion that our most expensive players have flopped so we should stick to shopping in the bargain aisles in the future.

It's absolutely pathetic. It's the theory of a born loser.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Eh?


Your logic is because Ndombele and Lo celso cost us 60m, we should never sign a player over 60m again?

Have I understood what you are saying?
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They cost us far more than that!

No, you have misunderstood. I’d endorse a significant transfer, but the ‘I don’t care what the risk is or what the price is, just get it done’ attitude you seem to advocate I just can’t get onboard with.

We can’t just throw cash around and overpay significantly without doing our due diligence.

Just look at Utd for how that turns out!
 
GoSpursGo said:
Gees I know it’s 115 charges but it’s been going on for years. They seemed to be quick on acting against Everton. In the end they’ll probably get off by multiple appeals or just shove some moolah in some brown paper bags 🤣
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They went for the easy pickings first.
That and the fact Everton and Forest are barely known outside of the UK so if they were relegated it probably wouldn't hurt the PL Brand much.
If City were/are punished to the full extent they deserve and go down, the PL will feel a pinch as they're now, unfortunately, a big, internationally recognisable club.
 
Richard Arlison said:
We pay 60m for a striker that doesn't work out and we aren't fucked...

But if we pay 80m for a striker and it doesn't work out and we are?

Makes no sense to me but then again I see it that we are fucked even if we spend 10m on a striker and it doesn't work out because I am only interested in winning.

Whatever it costs, if the striker we sign isn't good enough then we won't win and that means we are fucked regardless. I don't care what the striker costs we have to sign a really fucking good one.
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This is all well and good but what happens when the player flops? Their value decreases and since we put down big money on them we need to recoup some of it back but the same people will turn around and accuse the club of holding onto players for too long and haggling over peanuts.

It's easy to spend other people's money.
 
Harrier said:
They cost us far more than that!

No, you have misunderstood. I’d endorse a significant transfer, but the ‘I don’t care what the risk is or what the price is, just get it done’ attitude you seem to advocate I just can’t get onboard with.

We can’t just throw cash around and overpay significantly without doing our due diligence.

Just look at Utd for how that turns out!
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Nope, I still don't get what you are saying tbh mate.

Do you want us to sign good players and win things? Does it bother you if we have to pay 60-80m to get them?

And yes the same can be true of signing a good player for less.

Does it bother you that Vicario only cost 17m? Do you think he's less of a player because he didn't cost 50m?
 
Richard Arlison said:
We pay 60m for a striker that doesn't work out and we aren't fucked...

But if we pay 80m for a striker and it doesn't work out and we are?

Makes no sense to me but then again I see it that we are fucked even if we spend 10m on a striker and it doesn't work out because I am only interested in winning.

Whatever it costs, if the striker we sign isn't good enough then we won't win and that means we are fucked regardless. I don't care what the striker costs we have to sign a really fucking good one.
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Hey. Stop talking such common sense.

The losers don't like it

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John Thomas said:
This ridiculous argument gets peddled a lot on here mate. The notion that our most expensive players have flopped so we should stick to shopping in the bargain aisles in the future.

It's absolutely pathetic. It's the theory of a born loser.
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I can understand if a fan has watched a player and then has an opinion on how much they are worth. The club can see it different and then it's reasonable thing to chat about on a forum.

But we were talking about Gyokeres who people admit they haven't watched very often but somehow it matters to them if the player would cost 60m or 80m. I don't get it. The only thing I'd want from the club for a player that I've never seen is a commitment and the conviction to follow their scouting and not get put off by the extra 20m if they think that player helps us win. The 20m means NOTHING to me because I'm a fan.
 
Why is the benchmark always United? Everyone knows they have been a very poorly ran football operation. Ndombele transfer free might be a record for us but it’s insignificant in PL fee terms. That was 5 years ago with the stadium “game changer” about time it was broken again.
 
Richard Arlison said:
I can understand if a fan has watched a player and then has an opinion on how much they are worth. The club can see it different and then it's reasonable thing to chat about on a forum.

But we were talking about Gyokeres who people admit they haven't watched very often but somehow it matters to them if the player would cost 60m or 80m. I don't get it. The only thing I'd want from the club for a player that I've never seen is a commitment and the conviction to follow their scouting and not get put off by the extra 20m if they think that player helps us win. The 20m means NOTHING to me because I'm a fan.
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I've watched him - he's not worth €80m in the slightest - The highest level he's played in the Championship and the Portuguese League - he hasn't even played in a top league at any part of his career nor has he played CL football at any part of his career...we would be absolute mugs to put down €80m on him - you've genuinely lost your mind, it's honestly mental 😆

26 year old striker with this CV:

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GlosYid said:
Why is the benchmark always United? Everyone knows they have been a very poorly ran football operation. Ndombele transfer free might be a record for us but it’s insignificant in PL fee terms. That was 5 years ago with the stadium “game changer” about time it was broken again.
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Because they're a stupid club with a repeat pattern of overpaying for players - they've demonstrated time and time again that they'll spend whatever it takes on players without any due diligence only for the player to flop:

For example how many players here were actually a hit:

Manchester United - Record arrivals

You can also use Chelsea under Todd as well, half of their top 10 record transfer have come in since Boehly rocked up and not one of them has made a dent in the PL.

You can use the benchmark of City, Liverpool and Woolwich if you so wish but they don't tend to make stupid transfers for the most part and tend to know what they're doing but then again it's doubtful those clubs would drop €80m on a player with no prior experience in a big league - Even Woolwich learnt from their mistake of buying Pepe.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Nope, I still don't get what you are saying tbh mate.

Do you want us to sign good players and win things? Does it bother you if we have to pay 60-80m to get them?

And yes the same can be true of signing a good player for less.

Does it bother you that Vicario only cost 17m? Do you think he's less of a player because he didn't cost 50m?
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You’re not getting what I’m saying at all are you?

I’d endorse an £80m signing if we believe it’s the right player, the fee is representative of his value, and it’s not off of one good season in a different league.

What I don’t believe in is the cavalier attitude you seem to be displaying whereby you seem happy to overpay and sod the consequences.

As far as Vicario and the other similar signings, I’ve been one of the biggest advocates of buy smart rather than just buy big, so no that doesn’t bother me in the slightest.

I think you need to possibly re-read what I’ve posted.
 
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