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Transfers Summer Transfer thread - 2024

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Nothing wrong with a challenge mate not sure about the first bit though, I seem to recall a shrugging of the shoulders from you when presented with facts that confirmed you were, yet again, twisting the truth but hey ho.

Or maybe I just posted a chart which was different to yours...

If you think that's me twisting facts we're gonna have to have a conversation on how context works.
 
Not losing twice to Chelsea, twice to Woolwich and twice to Wolves is most of the deficit to the teams above us. They weren't all massively better than us. We were only 2 points behind Villa too.
The top 3 weren't massively better than us?

And also the logic with the losses doesn't make sense mate, Luton could turn around say "it was all of those pesky losses to the teams in the top half that were most of the deficit, the rest of the league weren't massively better than us"

No doubt without those losses we finish higher but why did we get turned over twice by the likes of Wolves and Chelsea?
 
No-one's stopping you from reflecting on it fella, you do you.

You wilfully missed the point about our rivals being in the same boat and I'm specifically talking about the transfer market, you seem to think just because we have this wriggle room that we should go out and spend willy nilly, sorry it doesn't work like that. The point is that the TM is so far dead and the majority rivals still haven't got their players in yet, that's a fact so that probably tells you there's more business to be done when the market picks up, not just by us, for everyone.

The manager said last week that they are looking at specific targets and basically saying it's a waiting game that is the public info you clearly haven't taken into account...

How do you know how far we are down the line with these targets?
How do you know who these targets are?
How do you know the hold up is on our side?

etc..

You don't hence why you're acting out of desperation because you're wildly speculating because we haven't got anyone else through the door, spare me.

You are one imagining and speculating.
I look at the publicly confirmed signings. No, not WORDS and OPINIONS and other that kind of mumbo-jumbo that is meant almost exclusively to fool idiots. I am talking about cold hard facts about who has been signed up to this moment in time. I am not speculating about future, but you desperately want to make this part of it.

You can pick the other route, it's fine.
But don't judge others for focusing on facts.

I know very well how demand and supply work for purchasing assets. It is part of my everyday world.
I also deal with management and company owners and various officials try to bullshit me with endless explanations how white is actually not white and something else instead. Believing such things is your choice, even if in my eyes it comes of extremely gullible.
 
Or maybe I just posted a chart which was different to yours...

If you think that's me twisting facts we're gonna have to have a conversation on how context works.
It is twisting facts, the chart you posted was simply about the number of injuries not the actual damage those injuries cause to the team which is very simple to think about if you were so minded.

Richarlison could have 7 different injuries that means he misses a game each time whereas Martinez could miss the majority of the season with one injury for United and in the chart you posted it would state we had 7 injuries and United had one which is useful for excuse making.
 
You've lost it here.

The original comment was that these two "walk into our team" and you chose to use Son as the comparison rather than Richarlison, Kulu or Johnson.

Son starting doesn't mean those two couldn't also start.

Maybe because I dunno...Son plays in the positions both happen to play in, maybe? :ange-confused:

I'm not taking Summerville on the right over Johnson or Kulu, don't make me laugh neither am I talking Fulkrug as our main striker over Son.

And no-one here would be lauding our transfer business if we signed either of them as our answer to our attacking problems and so what's with the marvelling of them?

The question is would you be happy if we only signed these 2 players this Summer? If you wouldn't then what are you actually arguing about?
 
You're having either player over Son as a LW or a ST are you?

Nah, this place man, you had the audacity to actually say they walk into our starting 11 😭
Yes, I have the audacity. I don't believe Son should be a guaranteed starter in either position. He is not a striker and has zero hold up ability; he is one of the physically weakest players on our team and is always looking for a foul instead of fighting for the ball. He is entirely inept at winning aerial duels which is another core skill for a striker.

As for LW, for what Ange's system demands; a player to hug the touchline, drawing out the RB for one on one duels to win and deliver byline crosses, no, he's not consistently good enough and is clearly past his prime. He is nowhere near as effective at dribbling as he used to be. He constantly looses the ball and one on ones. Son has always been a player that utilises space between channels - he is not a one vs one winger which the system demands and he is already showing signs that he has lost his pace.

If anyone wants to argue his place should be assured due to his goals then that's equally short-sighted. We scored more goals without Harry Kane than we ever did with him dating back to 17/18.

Maybe you have Sonny derangement syndrome; because he's a club stalwart and is a demigod to a fraction of the fanbase he is somehow undroppable despite being mediocre for two seasons in a row. He should be fighting for his place in the squad but hey, contentment with mediocrity and sentiment is habitual amongst this fanbase. Let him be club captain and starting every game until he retires just because it's Sonny, innit.
 
A point of fact, Son played a lot of games as CF last season

How do you know he will not next season ?
Son started the season with a run at CF but then moved out to LW once Richy took over and went on his great run.

Son didn't return to CF until injury derailed Richy's season.

We played Sarr as false 9 against City and finished the season with Kulu at 9.
We then continued this into pre-season where Son hasn't seen a minute at CF.

Obvious trend is obvious.
 
Yes, I have the audacity. I don't believe Son should be a guaranteed starter in either position. He is not a striker and has zero hold up ability; he is one of the physically weakest players on our team and is always looking for a foul instead of fighting for the ball. He is entirely inept at winning aerial duels which is another core skill for a striker.

As for LW, for what Ange's system demands; a player to hug the touchline, drawing out the RB for one on one duels to win and deliver byline crosses, no, he's not consistently good enough and is clearly past his prime. He is nowhere near as effective at dribbling as he used to be. He constantly looses the ball and one on ones. Son has always been a player that utilises space between channels - he is not a one vs one winger which the system demands and he is already showing signs that he has lost his pace.

If anyone wants to argue his place should be assured due to his goals then that's equally short-sighted. We scored more goals without Harry Kane than we ever did with him dating back to 17/18.

Maybe you have Sonny derangement syndrome; because he's a club stalwart and is a demigod to a fraction of the fanbase he is somehow undroppable despite being mediocre for two seasons in a row. He should be fighting for his place in the squad but hey, contentment with mediocrity and sentiment is habitual amongst this fanbase. Let him be club captain and starting every game until he retires just because it's Sonny, innit.
Sonny has his flaws, but he's still the best finisher in the league and is the least of our problems.

We need upgrades at RW, CF and midfield as Johnson, Kulu, Richarlison, creative mids aren't good enough.
 
Son started the season with a run at CF but then moved out to LW once Richy took over and went on his great run.

Son didn't return to CF until injury derailed Richy's season.

We played Sarr as false 9 against City and finished the season with Kulu at 9.
We then continued this into pre-season where Son hasn't seen a minute at CF.

Obvious trend is obvious.
Yep, Kulu at #9 in pre season was clear sign that Ange wants Son to stay at LW this season.
 
You are one imagining and speculating.
I look at the publicly confirmed signings. No, not WORDS and OPINIONS and other that kind of mumbo-jumbo that is meant almost exclusively to fool idiots. I am talking about cold hard facts about who has been signed up to this moment in time. I am not speculating about future, but you desperately want to make this part of it.

You can pick the other route, it's fine.
But don't judge others for focusing on facts.

I know very well how demand and supply work for purchasing assets. It is part of my everyday world.
I also deal with management and company owners and various officials try to bullshit me with endless explanations how white is actually not white and something else instead. Believing such things is your choice, even if in my eyes it comes of extremely gullible.

Fine feel free to look at the publicly confirmed signings and lose your shit, I'll prefer to wait, thanks.

I'm not the one who is desperate to make you apart of anything, you involved yourself in this debate for some reason, probably because you felt left out or something, I don't really give a shit how you feel but I was just replying to the protestations of our TW and trying to use context but it's feel free to ignore it if that's how you feel.

Didn't read the rest of your post as you started ranting, can't be arsed to deal with folk who can't keep emotions in check, let's just leave it there :thumbup:
 
It is twisting facts, the chart you posted was simply about the number of injuries not the actual damage those injuries cause to the team which is very simple to think about if you were so minded.

Richarlison could have 7 different injuries that means he misses a game each time whereas Martinez could miss the majority of the season with one injury for United and in the chart you posted it would state we had 7 injuries and United had one which is useful for excuse making.

Good for you mate, happy for you to win this argument :ange-clap:

What was the point of all this anyway?
 
Son started the season with a run at CF but then moved out to LW once Richy took over and went on his great run.

Son didn't return to CF until injury derailed Richy's season.

We played Sarr as false 9 against City and finished the season with Kulu at 9.
We then continued this into pre-season where Son hasn't seen a minute at CF.

Obvious trend is obvious.

14 of his 17 goals came as a CF

 
Yes, I have the audacity. I don't believe Son should be a guaranteed starter in either position. He is not a striker and has zero hold up ability; he is one of the physically weakest players on our team and is always looking for a foul instead of fighting for the ball. He is entirely inept at winning aerial duels which is another core skill for a striker.

As for LW, for what Ange's system demands; a player to hug the touchline, drawing out the RB for one on one duels to win and deliver byline crosses, no, he's not consistently good enough and is clearly past his prime. He is nowhere near as effective at dribbling as he used to be. He constantly looses the ball and one on ones. Son has always been a player that utilises space between channels - he is not a one vs one winger which the system demands and he is already showing signs that he has lost his pace.

If anyone wants to argue his place should be assured due to his goals then that's equally short-sighted. We scored more goals without Harry Kane than we ever did with him dating back to 17/18.

Maybe you have Sonny derangement syndrome; because he's a club stalwart and is a demigod to a fraction of the fanbase he is somehow undroppable despite being mediocre for two seasons in a row. He should be fighting for his place in the squad but hey, contentment with mediocrity and sentiment is habitual amongst this fanbase. Let him be club captain and starting every game until he retires just because it's Sonny, innit.
OK OK - you’ve convinced me. All hail Timo as starting our left winger!!! 🤣 🤣

Son’s past his prime and he’s never been a great all around player but he’s world class finisher and can make a decent pass. Sadly our best attacking player. So all for upgrading Son but we’ve got bigger holes at No 9 and RW so Son is literally the least of our problems when it comes to attack.
 
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