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Transfers Summer Transfer thread - 2024

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Ionman34 said:
Thank you. Wasn't so hard was it? Not sure where you got this "hypothetical story" idea from though, they were questions.

I'll start with your third paragraph. If the rivals ahead of us don't make signings and, as a result, we close the points gap on them, they're going backwards no? I'm told repeatedly here that you have to make signings or you stand still, and standing still is moving backwards. So using that logic, they'll have gone backwards in relative terms because they have made no signings.

Still with me?
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Hmmm
Ionman34 said:
As to your last paragraph, now we're getting the grey matter going. This is where you then look at the signings relative to what that club already has available. Calafiore. Very good signing, quality player. Does he improve them? Will he be the difference in their next title tilt? I'll answer the first question because he does improve them, from a squad perspective. Insofar as getting more points? Highly doubtful.
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Erm what? First you seem to be unsure as to why I called it a hypothetical story and then in the very next paragraph talk about the signings teams have made rendering your initial point utterly hypothetical, maybe your grey matter hasn't fully got going yet, let's read on.
Ionman34 said:
City? They've signed a 20 year old kid for their right wing. Weren't you one of those ridiculing our club for buying kids?
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When you have the talent city have you can buy toddlers, nice try though.

Ionman34 said:
Liverpool? Flat lining at the moment
Newcastle? Lloyd Kelly, Lewis Hall and 2 unknowns that I won't even attempt to spell.

Villa? Lots of signings, but improvements when they've also sold arguably their best player?
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So we're now abandoning the teams stand still when they don't sign players argument to now teams have not made good signings? Cool, let's read on.
Ionman34 said:
Now we get to the point of why I asked those 2 questions in the first place. There's this narrative that you will only become elite if you buy the most expensive players, but that is only true to a point, they have to be the right player. So the 2 questions I threw at you were meant to illustrate that bollox. Signings are only part of the whole, they don't dictate success, or why would we need coaches? Buying a big name is great as long as they are the right fit. You only need look at Utd's transfer activity to see the truth of that. Then you look at City's strategy and see what buying the right players gets you. They were able to do both because they cheated, but their strategy is about as sound as it gets.
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Hmmm, you seem to be arguing a point I never disputed so well done for that, let's keep reading.
Ionman34 said:
I'll be honest here, I was expecting a bit more of an hysterical response from you, but I was pleasantly surprised at the response as it was challenging.

Look, I'm as concerned about our lack of signings to date as much as you are, I just choose to wait until the end of the window before making judgements. A lot can happen in 2 weeks, and it's not like we haven't been in this territory before.
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Fair point, you're entitled to make judgements whenever you see fit, doesn't stop other making judgements when they want and given what we've been told about the clubs aims by the manager and the business that has been done and is rumoured to be in the process of being done, it looks like yet more guff for the masses to swallow, lets keep reading.
Ionman34 said:
So, to end, I'll now answer your question. I consider every team in the PL a rival. Every one of them is out there to take points off us. If we aspire towards winning the league, then we have to consider everyone a rival that MUST be beaten, which hearkens me back to the mentality change that AP is looking to instill, it's why he couldn't wrap his head around us wanting to lose to City. He gets it now, but I can fully understand where he was coming from at the time.
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Yeah, you lost me here, that's a pretty nonsensical statement. We compete in a league, by default everyone is our competition but when we talk of rivals it's about rivals aiming for the same goals as you which I'm pretty sure you know and are conveniently ignoring by kidding on Ipswich Town are our rivals.
 
Yorkshire_Spurs said:
Mins per goal almost identical to Solanke last season though & surprisingly has a better shot accuracy.

Conversion a lot lower though as Nunez is wild at times, well most of the time.

19 G/A for Nunez (2045mins) - 11 goals / 8 assists

22 G/A for Solanke (3333mins) - 19 goals / 8 assists

Liverpool with 2.08XG per game.

Bournmouth with 1.51XG per game.

Essentially Solanke played 50% more mins but in a team that created a third less XG and the stats are similar.

But alas stats are sometimes meaningless, as well the eye test, Nunez is absolute shite, and Solanke is somewhat average but tidy.
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Solanke played for Bournemouth while Nunez Liverpool. Doing well for Bournemouth is harder than doing well for Liverpool
 
dudu said:
Yet the same postets that won't talk about viable targets completely dismiss the players the people employed at the club have provided, and go on like they are suddenly experts acting like they actually know anything about football, what the manager wants or needs.

If said posters think we are overpaying for someone then they whine, of they think we aren't paying enough to get someone they suddenly have a hard on for, they whine....

Come one, the only truth is they like to complain.
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They won't stand on anything because they know they'll get mocked for mentioning alternatives so they'll take the easier position of mocking the club and posters who actually dare to argue that it might actually be a good signing.

So come on let's discuss alternative players if you think Solanke is a bad deal, how much? Why? What do they offer? Are the realistic? etc..

Until them I'm not taking these jokers seriously and neither should anyone else really.
 
Brian Fantana said:
So if we don’t get Ange a striker on top of Gallagher and Eze not coming then I really will struggle to lay much blame at his door. It will be down to the usual suspect.
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Said something last season along the lines of “if we don’t improve the squad in the summer, I’m done”.

Can’t be fucked to spend time and money supporting a club run by people who mug off their fans at every possible opportunity.

When Levy hired Mourinho and Conte, he did so knowing how they play. They needed a quality defence to operate effectively and we didn’t give them one. We then go out and sign an attacking manager who needs a quality attack and we sell arguably the best striker we’ve ever had and fail to replace him. Ironically, Conte and Mourinho would have had a stiffy if they had the back line that we currently have (compared to what they had to work with).

£550m+ revenue and climbing (highest in London), the club sacked off discounts for pensioners and bumped prices up for everyone. Shitting on pensioners aside, the quality of what they’re selling needs to match the price they’re charging and at present, it’s not even close. They’ve got two weeks to get their shit together and improve our attacking options otherwise it’s going to be Groundhog Day yet again. Ange won’t last the year as they’ll sack him making it out like he’s the problem when the reality is that our lack of on field success is and always has been Levy’s fault.
 
yes said:
Said something last season along the lines of “if we don’t improve the squad in the summer, I’m done”.

Can’t be fucked to spend time and money supporting a club run by people who mug off their fans at every possible opportunity.

When Levy hired Mourinho and Conte, he did so knowing how they play. They needed a quality defence to operate effectively and we didn’t give them one. We then go out and sign at attacking manager who needs a quality attack and we sell arguably the best striker we’ve ever had and fail to replace him. Ironically, Conte and Mourinho would have had a stiffy if they had the back line that we currently have (compared to what they had to work with).

£550m+ revenue and climbing (highest in London), the club sacked off discounts for pensioners and bumped prices up for everyone. Shitting on pensioners aside, the quality of what they’re selling needs to match the price they’re charging and at present, it’s not even close. They’ve got two weeks to get their shit together and improve our attacking options otherwise it’s going to be Groundhog Day yet again. Ange won’t last the year as they’ll sack him making it out like he’s the problem when the reality is that our lack of on field success is and always has been Levy’s fault.
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It's a dead market though mate
Who would want to come and sit on the bench?
Our rivals haven't improved
etc. etc.
 
PapeMasterclass said:
No doubt, but also Ange is far from flawless, he wanted Brennan Johnson for £50m as well. We can and should invest our money more wisely.
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The club has been monitoring Johnson for a couple of years, Paratici apparently watched him on numerous occasions,all before Ange arrived. Yes Ange said he chose to approve Johnson, but he didn't negotiate the fee with Forest and we dint know what alternatives he was presented with. Johnson may have been the best of a bad bunch

Maddison was the same. The club have been after him for years since his Norwich days, but last season it seems Levy got lucky with Maddison having one year left in his contract and Leicester were relegated so had no choice to sell for a reasonable fee.

We are not a club where the manager demands and then gets who he wants. He sets out the type of profile he wants and then the club searches and scouts potential options.
 
Shadydan said:
I only responded like that because you started it by saying this:



I mean fair's fair don't you think and I'm not even crying I'm just laughing at the fact that you're unable to formulate a coherent response without being condescending in response. ;)

As for your 2nd paragraph, I'm reading that as a load of mental gymnastics, no offence. It's a massive contradiction because you can't make a point about age on one hand then ignore the same thing on the other and let's be real clearly you do otherwise I wouldn't be reading essays from you when you reply.

Regardless of this, I'm not even sure why we are arguing over West Ham, they have done some good business but as I keep reiterating the window isn't even closed so lauding their intent is wonderful and I guess it's making people jealous but let's just calm down for a sec and look what we do.
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One player in world football is 22 years old,
He plays at LW...

WhY DidN'T LeVy N' Co BUy HiM THeN, HuUuh!?? WHy wHy WhY!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!!!??????? COnTrADiCTion!!!! ObViouSLY wE WouLD HavE iF hE waS GoOD!1!!

That is how you sound to me. Age and wages can be a pre-requisite for a player and not the be all end all. Whatever data lead approach Lange and his team is using could have flagged up any number of alternative players for any number of reasons and I frankly don't give a shit about THEIR reasons for not signing him. Him and Ange re-signed Timo Werner in the same position so take that and their judgment as you may. I have my own eyes and opinion and my original point, which you are so desperately strawmanning is that, for the system Ange wants to play, I could totally envision him at Spurs. He is very comfortable hugging the touchline, taking on players in 1v1 situations, assisting, drawing fouls and scoring. 20 goals and 9 assists in 46 matches in a league as competitive as the championship is impressive to me.
 
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