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Goalkeepers are rubbish at taking the ball under pressure and they are the biggest problem in it. What they end up doing is panic and put their team mates in the shit or kick it long. Why not just do that anyway and take the risk out of it?
Fake stupid football.
I'm old enough to remember the days when a goalkeeper had 2 jobs.
Stop the ball going in to his net, and kick the ball as far up the field towards the opponents net as possible.
 
Didn't realise Serie A season ended in Oct.
Yeah still early days,I get your point.

But still, Conte deserves big creds for that start. Napoli were an unreal mess last season...shit performances, players missing training & other attitude issues, in-fighting etc. He came in, sent chief troublemaker Osimhen away to friggin Turkey, remotivated Meret, Zambo & Kvara, couple astute signings like Buongiorno (knowing he lost Zielinski), got the squad uber fit and believing again. Could've all gone to shit after getting smashed by Hellas on matchday 1, but nope. That win vs AC last night is the type you see from a champion in the making.

I hope they do it.
 
That whole he's been backed/not convo is kinda flawed to be honest.

To me, a manager has been backed when he got exactly the players he wanted, his top options. And all of them, not being left 1, 2 or 3 players short come the end of the window.

For instance, you ask for say Nico Williams but your board says no, transfer fee + wages too high...you can have 50 mil + 80k pw Brennan Johnson instead. Has he been backed cause we spent 50 big ones on a player? Or was he not backed cause he got the B side? By the way, I'm not saying Ange wanted Nico over Brennan (which is another debate).

Either you back your HC or you don't, there's no in between IMHO. Issue is, that's Dan Dan's MO right there...doing 30-40% of what's required, always. See Jose get Rodon instead of Skriniar or many another example out there since '01.
Is there a manager that gets exactly what he wants? Pep wanted Kane and even he didn't get him.

I think nowadays football clubs don't operate like that. They have people within the club who also make decisions on who comes in.
 
He deserves a knighthood for getting us into 4th with the squad he had at his disposal.
he overachieved with what he had that first year, in a way ive never seen a manager do for us ever. but it turned sour pretty quick after that first year, for whatever reasons. but once it started to turn you knew it was done.

it is baffling why levy got him in and didnt back him properly, yet has give this guy a shit load of money and transfers to work with, very strange.

watching a back 5 with dier, davies and emerson in it was fucking painful. sanchez too wasnt it? jesus wept!
 
Yeah still early days,I get your point.

But still, Conte deserves big creds for that start. Napoli were an unreal mess last season...shit performances, players missing training & other attitude issues, in-fighting etc. He came in, sent chief troublemaker Osimhen away to friggin Turkey, remotivated Meret, Zambo & Kvara, couple astute signings like Buongiorno (knowing he lost Zielinski), got the squad uber fit and believing again. Could've all gone to shit after getting smashed by Hellas on matchday 1, but nope. That win vs AC last night is the type you see from a champion in the making.

I hope they do it.
Fair play.

Ange had a good start to his Spurs career too.
 
Yeah but Conte is actually proven to maintain this kind of form with teams in top level divisions.

And I don’t think Ange’s Spurs were ever top a quarter of the way in to the season and clear by 7 points.
All good points.

My point being that, on the whole, the ones on here creaming themselves over Conte's Napoli are generally the ones that gave Ange no credit for his start.

It is almost as if they change their belief system based on what case they fancy arguing at any particular moment...
 
I actually hate how teams play now. It just causes problems and people go on about high risk and reward but what reward do teams get from it. Very very rarely does a team play out and go up the pitch and score from it. I’m watch teams like Southampton,Ipswich and Wolves play like this and they’ll get punished every game for it. We are much better than them at it but we will still cause ourselves problems as Sunday’s goal came from it.
Goalkeepers are rubbish at taking the ball under pressure and they are the biggest problem in it. What they end up doing is panic and put their team mates in the shit or kick it long. Why not just do that anyway and take the risk out of it?
Fake stupid football.

I actually want a bit of a return to long ball football because when it happens teams won’t know how to deal with it in the PL because it’s been gone so long. There’s nothing wrong with route one football and getting the ball forward quickly, winning second balls and trying to make the opposition make mistakes.

Toby to Dele, how many goals did that get us for example?
 
I said two years , not 4

Why do you make up imaginary arguments to have imaginary fights against? So weird.

You said "In two years time" - he's already been here 1 and half seasons so do the math, buddy.

Again - you're making up on-existent arguments with imaginary opponents. It's so fucking weird.

Absolutely no one thinks 4 years of midtable is acceptable. Normal people just expect him to get two before making a judgement (unless we are in relegation battle or he loses the dressing room).

sheesh
 
Ange's whole strategy is simply throw a lot of shit on the wall and hope something sticks. He has no real game other than that. It's all about the same shit with Johnson's crosses. Ange loves crosses too much. That whole shit with Werner on the left. Come on. It's not good football. It works in spells but those spells are nowadays 2 premier league games in a row at most. He needs to wisen up but it ain't there because he will only stick to his own philosophy.

Anyway, pull up a fucking miracle today and change the whole damn system. Take City by surprise! COYS!
 
Conte wasn’t going to work with us because he’s a massive sulky nutter that clearly wanted to go home.

But he’s an objectively more successful and effective manager than Ange and anyone suggesting otherwise is taking the piss.
 
But these have been twisted. He was asked “you always win something in your second season” and he said said “yes that’s true. That’s what’s happened historically, I win something in my second season at the clubs I’ve been at “.

Nobody’s fault but there’s if they ignore the second part of the answer.

However, should he have said it, he should know how it’s going to be spun. I think yes. It puts pressure on the owners and the players to deliver. But as a mad Italian one once said “they don’t like to play with pressure”.
he said .." i dont usually win things i always win things and nothings changed" then he said about "i dont say things unless i believe it"

its not been spun at all, hes tried to spin it himself once his adrenaline had worn off.

you dont need 'belief' with something thats already been done and can be proven.
 
The problem is we don’t know if he is capable of doing this project because he’s NEVER REMOTELY been in this situation before. He hasn’t managed anywhere near this level AND he’s never not had access to the best players in any league he’s operated in.

This idea (not that you’ve said it but others point to it) that you have to give managers time as a default because of Fergie or Arteta is nonsense. There are way more times when a manager is given too much time and the inevitable should have happened sooner. Ten Haag. Soljskaer, Gerry Francis - look at the way Arse got rid of Bruce Rioch after one season to bring in Wenger etc.
You have to chart your progress subjectively along the way and essentially continually work out the main question for any manager i.e is he capable of getting more (or at least equal) out of this team than the sum of its parts.
In this sense, it’s always harder at THFC because the manager is always required to get more than the sum, because transfer wise we rarely dine at the top table because of our fuckwit chairman.

And Sunday was an absolutely shocking marker for tracking our progress. Coming off that 2nd half vs Brighton and in our next away game we produce that insipid garbage.
Our away form is absolutely shocking. At home we seem to be adept at putting away teams outside of those competing for the top 6. This pattern will NOT keep Ange in his job past the summer and rightly so. 2 big home games coming up now, can we dispense of some quality opposition at our own house - another progress marker.

Many of us are not Ange OUT, we’re just very concerned.
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The problem is we don’t know if he is capable of doing this project because he’s NEVER REMOTELY been in this situation before. He hasn’t managed anywhere near this level AND he’s never not had access to the best players in any league he’s operated in.

This idea (not that you’ve said it but others point to it) that you have to give managers time as a default because of Fergie or Arteta is nonsense. There are way more times when a manager is given too much time and the inevitable should have happened sooner. Ten Haag. Soljskaer, Gerry Francis - look at the way Arse got rid of Bruce Rioch after one season to bring in Wenger etc.
You have to chart your progress subjectively along the way and essentially continually work out the main question for any manager i.e is he capable of getting more (or at least equal) out of this team than the sum of its parts.
In this sense, it’s always harder at THFC because the manager is always required to get more than the sum, because transfer wise we rarely dine at the top table because of our fuckwit chairman.

And Sunday was an absolutely shocking marker for tracking our progress. Coming off that 2nd half vs Brighton and in our next away game we produce that insipid garbage.
Our away form is absolutely shocking. At home we seem to be adept at putting away teams outside of those competing for the top 6. This pattern will NOT keep Ange in his job past the summer and rightly so. 2 big home games coming up now, can we dispense of some quality opposition at our own house - another progress marker.

Many of us are not Ange OUT, we’re just very concerned.

Only the first part is true- he has never managed at this level.

South Melbourne, Brisbane and Yokohama did not give him access to the best players in the league. As for Celtic, the club was a shambles when he came in and he re-built it, mainly on the back of 3 Japanese lads he brought with him, only one of which gets selected for the Japanese national team meaning they're not the best in Japan let alone the SPL.

I've watched his career over the last 20 years. I've said it before but this Tottenham team is not playing the type of football I know as Angeball-even the Socceroos did it better at the WC.
 
he said .." i dont usually win things i always win things and nothings changed" then he said about "i dont say things unless i believe it"

its not been spun at all, hes tried to spin it himself once his adrenaline had worn off.

you dont need 'belief' with something thats already been done and can be proven.

He’s still putting pressure on the club to help him deliver it. It’s a veiled threat to the players and levy…..and we know how they usually react to that.
 
As for Celtic, the club was a shambles when he came in and he re-built it
I always find this one funny. Before Ange came in Celtic had won, what, 9 out of the previous 10 titles? Celtic have the biggest budget by a wide margin over everyone including Rangers. They are utterly dominant other than a single blip of a season. Shambles is an overstatement.

Sure, it's a pressurised job but winning trophies with Celtic is never an indicator of an elite manager.
 
Is there a manager that gets exactly what he wants? Pep wanted Kane and even he didn't get him.
Yes, Pep wanted Kane, he didn't need him. And he got Haaland not that long afterwards. But ask any City fans or even fans of other teams, and 99% will tell you Pep has been backed. Same re Klopp. Ask them about Spurs and Poch, Jose, Conte, Ange or previous incumbents like Harry & co, I doubt you'll get the same vibe.

I think nowadays football clubs don't operate like that. They have people within the club who also make decisions on who comes in.
Of course it ain't just the manager deciding who to bring in. Heck, he's probably right at the bottom of that list at a club like Spurs where Ange has no history or particular affinity with someone like Lange. Compare that to City with Pep & Txiki or what Klopp had with Edwards. And you don't hear about their power hungry whore of a chairman negotiating deals. Truth is, it's not just that we don't spend like a true big club, it's that we don't behave like one. And once again, the No 1 culprit is...
 
I always find this one funny. Before Ange came in Celtic had won, what, 9 out of the previous 10 titles? Celtic have the biggest budget by a wide margin over everyone including Rangers. They are utterly dominant other than a single blip of a season. Shambles is an overstatement.

Sure, it's a pressurised job but winning trophies with Celtic is never an indicator of an elite manager.
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