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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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spursfan76 said:
I'm starting to really dislike this guy. That we can beat City and other good teams is in spite of having Ange as a manager, not because of him.

Random individual errors is something no manager can control but if it come from the same source game after game, the manager must have the intelligence to spot it. Ange does not! He's thick as fuck. 2nd season trophy? STFU. You haven't done anything but underperforming since the Chelsea game last season. That was because of what Conte had left. The more influence this guy has, the worse we become.

That BJ was his dream signing says a lot about this guy. 50 m LMAO. And he plays him nearly every minute of every game.

Sack him tomorrow!
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Tomorrow what about NOW
 
Where do we even go from here? We're so open on every transition that it must be a pleasure to play Dr Tottenham. The players look like they've given up and don't trust this kamikaze approach. Every set play whether in our box or theirs is a shambles. He's like a fucking mute on the sidelines, a shake of the head constitutes in game coaching. I don't want another manager and then another two year transition but he looks to be way out of his depth.
 
Can’t sugar coat it anymore. Ange and Conte are cut from the same cloth when it comes to being stubborn with their tactics.

Their philosophies may differ but it’s that stubbornness that costs us in the end and is keeping this train of mediocrity going
 
Yep I just can't see it working out not really anything new to add as the form we have shown for most of his tenure is mid table so the order of the boot is heading his way .Looks like another stint for Ryan until the next clown is appointed.
 
I feel like I say the same thing in here every few weeks, I’m not Ange out yet but I’m edging closer. It’s impossible to defend Ange or the team today (same with Palace and Brighton). On our day we look brilliant but we have too many days like this. We will probably beat City, Roma and Fulham and look like a proper side again, then lose to Bournemouth.
 
He's stupid, we simply can't afford to have Johnson in the team, the guy doesn't contribute. The same with Son as LW, we know Son has quality, at least, but he doesn't has the space necessary to work there, if we at least played in the counter. Also the last games we've been lost on the pitch, no one to receive the ball in the midfield, players flooding the right or the left winger with no one to receive the ball from the defense. And when the ball goes to Johnson you simply knows nothing will come from there, Son create something sometimes, but he's not the kind of winger we need to.
 
bus-conductor said:
Got to say, I’ve been very supportive of Ange because I could see consistent methodology at work, I could see weaknesses improving and the underlying metrics support that strongly.

Last week I was just plain impressed with Palace, who according to their own fans, played their best game of the season. They were outstandingly good, and That can happen.

But this week was a really hot mess imo, that was more like the dark days of last season than anything we’ve seen this season. There was very little of the ethos or tactics that Ange has preached relentlessly, that we have mostly seen this season, and this despite Villa being fucking insipid.

I thought the team selection was inviting the kind of creatively void performance we got first half. In the first 45 minutes we’d not had a single shot on target, had an XG of 0.17, and not even dominated the ball like we usually do (53%). That’s also got to be the fewest passes we’ve completed in a game, and not just second half. In other words not the usual Ange performance markers. That’s also possibly the highest XG we’ve conceded all season. Again, against an abjectly insipid Villa.

I hope today is an outlier, I enjoyed the goals and result, but I didn’t see a coherent methodology. I saw some slightly whacky idea mud balls being flung at the wall and luckily some stuck. We allowed more chances than usual and got away with it. We’ve played much more coherently and not got a result.
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bus-conductor said:
I'm definitely not Ange out, and have very much been on board, generally I think he's working pretty well with a pretty weak hand (for various reasons - age, experience, quality), I've been a vocal defender because what I've seen is coached method and underlying metrics telling me he's getting things pretty right.

What I saw today was a total lack cohesion and creativity for 45 minutes. I saw a pretty insipid Villa have a tone of the ball, make some great chances, and have an XG of 2.49 (higher than ours 2.10), nearly double the XG of our worst game previously all season.

I happily defended Ange when he was being criticised when I thought it was unfair. And I've definitely not piled on during some of the bad results, if I generally like what I see in terms of the coached basics and methodology. And I'm not saying it's all gone to shit from one game now. But I didn't like some of the things I saw today, because I don't believe turning games into incoherent basketball games is a sustainable route to success. I have questioned his selection and subs before (who hasn't) but I definitely didn't agree with the selection today, and I still don't, I thought it was counter intuitive to what the ethos is supposed to be.

I've never criticised him for not having a plan B, don't buy into the whole plan B bullshit, especially if plan B is to open up the game for both teams, relinquish control of the ball and chances. I'm happy for Ange to stick to planA and just keep trying to improve it, and add better players to it.
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bus-conductor said:
Sarr was good today, and Sarr has merits and a role to play in the squad, likewise Maddison and Kulusesvki, merits and roles to play. I'm just not in agreement with the remits as applied sometimes, like today.

I'll row back from my position if circumstances dictate it. Great ball by Kulusevski today for the goal, but he was barely involved apart from that (17 passes in 100 minutes) my issue is absolutely not about "beautiful" it's the opposite, it's about substance and his lack of involvement and ability to disappear from games for long spells - which Maddison doesn't do - whilst Maddison still creates (and his XA has constantly been better than Kulusevski's and still is, as his actual assists 3v2 in 100 less minutes).

It doesn't have to be a Maddison v Kulusevski issue, but if it is, then my choice is Maddison. More productive, more involved (with and without the ball), more conducive to the "method" IMO.

We only just edged Villa for possession today (which is miles under our usual), and that was consistent throughout, and as I said, that was the most chances/XG we'd conceded all season.

Sometimes goals alter perspective.
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So was mullered last week for the above, but turns out it wasn’t a one off.

The stuff I was talking about was all in evidence again today. That score flattered the tactical approach last week, which was frankly a fucking mess. Pedestrian first half again, no one to get hold of the ball in midfield areas and make intelligent or incisive decisions, three midfielders all uncomfortable when pressed.

Then the first sub was fucking nuts. Waiting until 80 mins to bring in Maddison on Bissouma on pffftt.

Again, I’ve been generally supportive of Ange’s ethos and until a couple of weeks ago he’d definitely improved us at both ends on last season. And I acknowledge he’s working with a pretty meh group of players. But his selections and tactical application and in-game management has been worrying for me for a few weeks now. He/We have regressed.

As last weeks posts show, I’m not a scoreline whiner, I can tolerate losing when the fundamentals and underlying basics look ok, but the signs were there last week and have materialised again this week.
 
Meano said:
Where do we even go from here? We're so open on every transition that it must be a pleasure to play Dr Tottenham. The players look like they've given up and don't trust this kamikaze approach. Every set play whether in our box or theirs is a shambles. He's like a fucking mute on the sidelines, a shake of the head constitutes in game coaching. I don't want another manager and then another two year transition but he looks to be way out of his depth.
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That's what really pisses me off. Yes, you don't have to be a raving, ranting lunatic like LEGOhead, but show some emotion and engagement ffs.
 
I've seen enough of Mckenna to say that I think he's already a better coach than Postecoglou.

I also think Andoni Iraola down at Bournemouth has shown that he can play a style that Spurs would love, and also concede far less than this Tottenham team.

There's others out there too, so when I hear people say who can we get to replace him? Well there's a couple there.
 
Can anyone explain to me what exactly Ange got wrong today?

I thought he picked the right team. I thought bringing Werner on before Maddison was strange but werner actually did alot more than maddison so he arguably got that decision correct. He brought on Biss and Maddison at 1-2 so he did make changes but had no real impact. There was nobody else on the bench you could say should have come on.

We dominated the game, gave up 2 stupid goals, and were unlucky not to score more than just 1.

Its a pathetic result. Its been a topsy turvy season. I think some players need to take a hard look at themselves! But I haven't seen us played off the park all season so not sure how you can pin all this on the manager. Seems like lazy analysis but happy to be corrected if someone can give me a reason why this is all Ange's fault.
 
Spudulike said:
I've seen enough of Mckenna to say that I think he's already a better coach than Postecoglou.

I also think Andoni Iraola down at Bournemouth has shown that he can play a style that Spurs would love, and also concede far less than this Tottenham team.

There's others out there too, so when I hear people say who can we get to replace him? Well there's a couple there.
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There are plenty of replacements out there but nothing is ever going to change. The owners cannot/wont satisfy the demand for success from the fans.
 
septicsac said:
25 yrs one trophy, multiple managers, yes the one constant factor is Levy and every manager will be hamstrung by him, but Ange should still be getting more from this lot.
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That's where I'm at too. The underlying issue has obviously always been Levy. But despite the good performances under Ange, the bad ones are outweighing it. I lean towards giving managers a couple of years at least if they're showing overall encouraging signs. But at this rate, it's not gonna be enough to buy him any more than that.

The inconsistency and occasional brilliance of this side makes me think, I wouldn't even be surprised if he did win a league cup or FA Cup somehow this season. Not expecting it, but wouldn't be shocked if he managed that and still left in the summer.
 
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