I.m sure I can see a couple of threads there?
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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I suspect there is a lot of truth to this. We can't be an attractive place for managers who could get another job in the top 20 clubs in Europe.
No I'd have to agree with you at the exact moment in time, but I need to believe with just 11 prem games and 6-7 cup games gone. Masochist might be a word to describe me. There might be a few more but I really don't want to hear them thanks
LOL fair - it really is frustrating that we didn't take advantage of that period in the mid to late 2010's. The prem is going to get more and more competitive as the years go by.
At some point, ENIC and Levy owning the club will be a massive red flag for coaches and players of any value whatsover.
And I don't mean in 20 years, I mean now/this decade. We will not be able to tempt any coaches worth having and then it'll be the same for players.
We're not far off it. If we weren't close to this stage we wouldn't have had Nono or Ange. We'd have got the likes of Naagelsman, Slott, Amorim etc. Higher regarded coaches with a future in the game. Not unemployed journeymen.
Aghhh... again this boring stuff.
We are one of the richest clubs on the face of earth. Able to pay literally 10+ million euros per year. And at that offering multiple year contract (= 2 year contract for 12 mil per year = 24 million euros of guaranteed income).
That alone will attract any manager (with very few exceptions) at any time and there is not even the slightest doubt in that. It is a fact.
Yes, there are few managers that in all likelyness are not interested - likes of Pep, Klopp, Ancellotti, Simeone, Slot, Arteta, Zidane + previous managers such as Mou and Conte. But that is close to conclusive list. For 99,9% of managers this is an absolute dream of a job.
As can be seen from recent past - it is also possible to move to big clubs after having spell with us. Poch got PSG and Chelsea jobs. Mou to Roma. Conte currently at Napoli. And well... even Nuno sitting above us at the table.
I am not saying that Levy would not have been letting down number of managers. Nor that he have fucked up really many things. Nor that he very likely will screw over our next manager too in the transfer market. I agree- I'd be happy to see the back of him. But we are in too deep just looking what happens in our small patch of grass. Scrutinizing everything to no end. But for others this is not the case. Just purely the money and chance to manage on top half of EPL are a real pull.
I´m siding with my intellect!
I'm siding with what my eyes see, and what my brain register!
You are siding with your emotions!
Word up!!!
You should meet me!!No I'd have to agree with you at the exact moment in time, but I need to believe with just 11 prem games and 6-7 cup games gone. Masochist might be a word to describe me. There might be a few more but I really don't want to hear them thanks
I wrote this PL-season off when we drew against Leicester on opening day!
The problem with idiots is that they think they're intelligent.I´m siding with my intellect!
I'm siding with what my eyes see, and what my brain register!
You are siding with your emotions!
Word up!!!
I´m not intelligent by any means!The problem with idiots is that they think they're intelligent.
But intelligent enough to spot a major cunt!
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The main debate on this forum right now is between people who believe Ange can still get top 4 and/or a trophy, and those who do not believe he can achieve any of those things regardless.
I still believe, for now, but in part only because we won't sign a better manager. Nevertheless, I don't think people are less intelligent than me for genuinely believing he is incapable of winning anything of note this season.
Higher intelligence just means more well-developed reasoning. It doesn't mean more reasons is the better decision.
I still believe, for now, but in part only because we won't sign a better manager. Nevertheless, I don't think people are less intelligent than me for genuinely believing he is incapable of winning anything of note this season.
Higher intelligence just means more well-developed reasoning. It doesn't mean more reasons is the better decision.
I have tried to explain why the tactical set up is causing both direct and indirectly some of these issue but it like people have very poor comprehension or I'm terrible at explaining.
So last go for you Matt1882 because I think you do see it. In that horrific reel you can possibly put two of the goals attributable to the players being pushed up a little too far, the Isak one and I think one of the Brighton. The individual errors (that in this order of frequency ) made by Romero, Udogie, Porro, VDV,Vicario, Johnson make are fully on them.
However and here's the bit some willfully miss the tactical setup and the lack of in game management the emphasis on full first third pressing. With a squad as unbalanced as ours it's going to give up chances. Worse Ange happily admitted he does not mind conceding goals so the ethos of stubbornly defending your clean sheet is totally absent in the collective conscious of the players.
We gave up 38 shots on target against Galatasaray. That's frankly ridiculous we are still to play city twice Woolwich away, chelsea twice this is a recipe for sone heavy beatings, and although folk glibly dismiss the attrional nature of such a high press highline lots of recovery contact style game it will cause you issues. We were warned by Celtic fans about the injuries and hamstrings twanging and still we did not get adequate cover for the defence to play Angeball.
Tactics are more than where players stand or whether your fullbacks under or overlap. The way the team ethos dictates how you approach games, always front foot always pressing little to no attempt to slow or break oponents flow ( Ange utterly reviles this part of the game) it's naive at best. I'm on record as saying I don't think this football can work in the EPL, I'm inclined to belive it's at odds with the current international football calendar. But take zero joy in knowing this because the joke is Ange is the coach I've liked best as a bloke since Burkinshaw.
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It was 28 shots and 10 shots on target.
Still fucking abysmal but 38 shots on target would be a crazy stat.
I do take your points though. The amount of football played since the WC has been insane for a lot of these players and the football Ange plays is incredibly fitness intensive.
I just think that our major problems at the back have not been down to fitness but due to mental preparedness and concentration.
Still on ange but it's a different kind of issue.
We want him to succeed don't we?
I want his no compromise football to work.
Fuck defending and just attack.
It's very Spursy. Real Spursy.
We have battered several teams at home this season and United away was also a battering.
The pain and trauma of the Brighton away game, Palace away and now the Ipswich debacle at home are leading to doubts regarding whether this football is sustainable in the Premier League.
It's a fair point that with Ange's football it was easier to get winning results in the Scottish and Japanese leagues. The strength and quality of the opposition makes the transition to all out continual attack smoother if you can roll the majority of teams over without too much trouble. Ange has clearly never faced so many half decent teams as he has in the Premier League.
The higher standard of the opposition coaches, week to week, has to have been a further issue he is not used to dealing with. A higher percentage of Premier League managers are capable of devising one off game tactics to frustrate Spurs and make in game substitutions and tactical changes if their plan A fails.
These arguments are inescapable and plausable.
Ange sticks to his principles and expects the players to sort it out and not hide.
It's simple really. Keep attacking, score more goals than the other team. How can you not know what you should be doing?
I like it in principle.
From what I have seen so far this season I think Ange should do two things very soon.
1. Drop Romero from the starting 11 and make him fight for his place or request a transfer.
2. Make Bentancur captain and instruct him to lead the team, by example and with verbal instructions, on the pitch.
That and TFC polls.
Levy is in the Bin ATM…..
Almost impossible to lift the lads after Ipswich , it’s not like he can say come on lads heads up
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He’s not going anywhere immediately. He could be by New Year though. We are 10th in the league, our lowest position at this stage of a season in 16 years when we were bottom after 11 games. It really could get a lot worse though. On the whole, we haven’t had too many difficult league games yet. We’ve only had to go away to two sides in top half of the table so far - Newcastle and Brighton and we duly lost both. We have a tricky run of 7 games now up to Boxing Day, 5 of the current Top 7 and trips to Bournemouth and Southampton too.