Manager Ange Postecoglou

[dudu]

IMO Angeball or whatever you want to label it needs a big squad, its essentially played like a 11 man 5 a side match with constant running ,100 mph pressing , fast aggressive tackling which will either cause injuries or completely knacker the players. The squad is paper thin made up of prospects , its going to be an up and down time when half the team don't shave yet.
loaning out Phillips seems a dumb idea considering how we play but ultimately its Levy who only wants sell on value players, we need that fuck knuckle to sell up to some one interested in Football.
However Ange has to take responsibility for last nights shit show, Johnson on the left was a no no for starters and Kulu wasted on the right when he has been our best player when played in the middle, every game feels like a shite experiment.
luckily I'm out Sunday so I wont have to get pissed off.

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Lazy narrative. I mean what is the point of filling up space with this kind of stuff.

Do you really think Solanke, Maddison, Richarlison were bought for sell on value and before you say it.... every club buys some players with sell on value in mind

 

[peter merison]

Lazy narrative. I mean what is the point of filling up space with this kind of stuff.

Do you really think Solanke, Maddison, Richarlison were bought for sell on value and before you say it.... every club buys some players with sell on value in mind

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Need a cuddle?

 

[Hrytn]

I really don’t get the gist of sacking Ange. It will be an anther PR job for levy & co to shut the fans for another season.

Nothing will change the slightest whoever comes through the revolving managerial door as far as levy is still at the club.

Get rid of the owners and the whole board.

 

[Doom Funk]

Only one answer: Stepford Footballers. Levy buys them then has them murdered and replaced with brainless sex dolls to save on wages.

For instance, you think it's Werner out there but it's actually a freshly rubberised robot running on a 9v battery that needs a charge up as soon as it gets close to the goal.

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Unfortunately levy has also refused to pay the electric bill so the batteries can't even be charged

 

[dudu]

Need a cuddle?

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Yes

 

[peter merison]

Yes

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cuddle

 

[Tottenham Massive]

I really don’t get the gist of sacking Ange. It will be an anther PR job for levy & co to shut the fans for another season.

Nothing will change the slightest whoever comes through the revolving managerial door as far as levy is still at the club.

Get rid of the owners and the whole board.

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All great points and more or less impossible to argue with. The only problem is we just can't get rid of the owners and the board.
But an disinterested board of parasites backed up with an unqualified, incompetent manager is the stuff of nightmares.

 

[Cranston]

I do wonder with Ange, when I hear how absurdly bullish he is in press conferences, has he been given assurances that as long as we’re not in a relegation battle, his job his safe?

The confidence he is emitting does not correlate to the performances we are seeing.

 

[bk_spur]

Ange is talking absolute bollocks. He cannot really believe that.

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I honestly feel like he is a poster-child for Dunning-Kruger: it sounds intelligent at first to say these strange things like "you couldn’t replace experience with experience because that is not a rebuild."- but later on you are puzzled by the apparent illogicality of that statement and wonder just what in the fuck it was you were just served up and consumed? A rebuild could potentially emerge from anything- any collection of vets, youth, prospects, whatever- why is it limited by age? There doesn't seem to be a logical reason for that- and if he really does think that, why did he make Son captain, and insist on playing him so much? For him to make such a dull reductionist point just shows how self-conscious he really is, and it appears not to be much.

 

[Aphex]

Tbh i think odobert is a talent. Unlucky he got injured.

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He might be a talent mate, but let's be honest he showed next to nothing in his career with us so far. He might come good in a few seasons, might not. Odobert is the type of signing big clubs might make on top of an Eze or Neto, not instead of.

I just can't get excited about the likes of Odobert, Bergval or Gray because I've seen it all before. Spurs fans hype them up as the second coming and it rarely ever happens to turn out what fans hope for. I want to see Spurs win and that means signing top quality players now, not just future punts.

I've had it up to here now with Levy. Ange is a failure on Levy's part because he should never have been appointed. But more importantly, Levy charges us sky high prices, and he doesn't invest enough in the team in terms of wages to attract the best players here. It's why we simply are never going anywhere under him. The Poch years were a fluke.

 

[bk_spur]

It’s incredible where good PR and having personality in press conferences gets you these days. Imagine for a second ange had come from winning the Greek league with panathanikos but couldn’t speak a word of English and had us sitting in 10th. There wouldn’t be a single fan saying stick with him and the entire media would be saying he’s the worst manager since bla bla.

But because he talks a good game and the Scottish league is close to us geographically, it’s almost ignored that it’s no better than the Greek or Norwegian league for example and that any achievements in leagues like that mean absolutely nothing when managing in the best league in the world. On top of that the media and certain weirdos in our fanbase get excited by what he says in pressers rather than what they’re actually watching with their eyes on the pitch.

He’s had 18 months and 3 transfer windows and the only difference im seeing now from when he started is that the players are actually running for him less. There’s no improvement and no sign we will become consistent because ange has no clue how to change any of this, he’s managing a team in a league way above his or his back room staffs level.

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Great post- to add to this, I'm worried now that the players are only showing up in "big" games because they know that is where and how they'll be judged by scouts from richer clubs- ie playing a little harder cause they think it could get them a move out of here. I am of the opinion that this phenomena influenced our good performance at City, for example.

 

[tart]

I developed chest pains during last night's game, especially every time Postecoglou made a dumb substitution. Went to the GP this afternoon. Apparently I've got Angina.

 

[bk_spur]

He might be a talent mate, but let's be honest he showed next to nothing in his career with us so far. He might come good in a few seasons, might not. Odobert is the type of signing big clubs might make on top of an Eze or Neto, not instead of.

I just can't get excited about the likes of Odobert, Bergval or Gray because I've seen it all before. Spurs fans hype them up as the second coming and it rarely ever happens to turn out what fans hope for. I want to see Spurs win and that means signing top quality players now, not just future punts.

I've had it up to here now with Levy. Ange is a failure on Levy's part because he should never have been appointed. But more importantly, Levy charges us sky high prices, and he doesn't invest enough in the team in terms of wages to attract the best players here. It's why we simply are never going anywhere under him. The Poch years were a fluke.

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You can't just buy ONE Odobert and stake your whole seasons potential for effective wing play on it. You need like 3 Odoberts to help hedge your bets against injury or other acts of God. Levy constantly equipping this club with the bare minimum needed has always cost us, and will always come back to haunt us, no matter what the context is.

 

[Larry David]

The Poch years were a fluke.

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They really were, Kane, Dele, Rose, Walker, Dier all maturing at the right time together alongside cheap punts like Son, Eriksen and Dembele actually working out for once

Was a perfect storm and absolutely luck over judgement from Levy

 

[bk_spur]

Incredibly eye opening to see him own the signings of Gray and Odobert and basically admit they were his signings and he was all in on them.

You'd have to think if that wasn't true, he simply wouldn't openly admit it. He would waffle about how they are good young players and they need time. He wouldn't explicity come out with they are my signings and this is the strategy I chose.

And it's complete bollocks to suggest signing experienced players isn't classed as a rebuild.

Neto and Eze are experienced players, and they would 100% constitute a rebuild. Chelsea have rebuilt and they have exclusively signed players under 25.

The more I hear Ange speak, the more clear it becomes that firstly, he has no idea what he is doing, and 2, the club is a complete mess.

That the football people at the club, inc Levy, and Ange all either decided to, or signed off on the strategy, to only sign Odobert, Gray and Solanke in the summer is a disgrace.

It is extremely concerning, because even if Ange pushed for these signings, the club simply should have done more. It's complete dereliction of duty to not do more in the summer in terms of bringing in establisahed quality players.

I thought back in the summer we would be in for a long season, because we simply didn't improve the first 11. It was obvious last season, Son was passed it, Werner was shite and shouldn't have been re-signed, and Johnson should be a back up at most.

And what did we do? brought Werner back and signed a 19 year old from Burnley. If you don't laugh you'll cry.

The club simply has no ambition we know this. However Ange is culpable. He chose to bring in kids, and he will fall on that sword imminently, because it was completely naive.

If it was the clubs strategy to sign Odobert and Gray and not Ange, he should just say that. Of course, this could be the case, it's likely to be honest, but then why would Ange own it. It's a weird thing to do. Just say it was the club strategy to sign them.

The previous summer and in January we signed more established players, so it leads me to think Ange had the final say on the summer signings and he chose this path.

Anyway despite all of that, we should be beating teams like Bournemouth, Fulham and Ipswich, so Ange is failing regardless of the hand he has been dealt by the club.

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It's not the players that are the problem- it's Ange and his utter refusal to change tactics to suit his current opponent and available roster. Maybe that is an honorable hill to want to die on, but it is not practical for Spurs under LEVY-ENIC corp.

On that point alone, he needs to go. Levy is just not going to give him what he needs to run his one-dimensional system to best effect for us in this league and our other comps. Levy needs to be smarter and get a practical manager that will work with his style.

 

[Aphex]

Great post- to add to this, I'm worried now that the players are only showing up in "big" games because they know that is where and how they'll be judged by scouts from richer clubs- ie playing a little harder cause they think it could get them a move out of here. I am of the opinion that this phenomena influenced our good performance at City, for example.

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I have also thought this. The players are essentially playing for themselves, so can hype themselves up for United and City away, but when the likes of Ipswich or Fulham come to town, they aren't interested. That is where a top coach who has got the players finely tuned earns his corn.

For me it does feel like when we win, it's in spite of Ange not because of him.

 

[bk_spur]

Was a perfect storm and absolutely luck over judgement from Levy

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Levy has shown zero ability since then in recreating that magic moment. Unless we're talking about his constant under-equipping and undermining of successive managers since Redknapp, and I guess probably before that, eh?

 

[harrymonk]

I knew the second they did a Robbie Williams remix of ange, it would go tits up. It's made the fans look a right bunch of wallies. I never seen highs and lows of any other fanbase before like I have with tottenham

 

[Aphex]

You can't just buy ONE Odobert and stake your whole seasons potential for effective wing play on it. You need like 3 Odoberts to help hedge your bets against injury or other acts of God. Levy constantly equipping this club with the bare minimum needed has always cost us, and will always come back to haunt us, no matter what the context is.

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Spot on. The summer window was abysmal and I said it at the time but was called negative. It wasn't negative, it was common sense.

Everyone could see we needed the bare minimum of one, but really two, top class wide attackers. And we got Werner back on loan and Odobert. Pathetic.

 

[rolling boh]

Personally don't think this 'project' is going to work but abusing Ange is not right ,I know it's frustrating especially when fans travel and spend good money but better to lay off the personal abuse .