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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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"We were in control of the game...." We were never in control of the fucking game! What planet does he live on?

Yes, we were two up at one stage, but not a single Spurs fan felt comfy and 'in control' at any stage of that match.
The strange thing is that for the first half of last season. Yes the games were often chaotic. But it didn't feel like chaos was the goal. It felt like we were trying to sustain attacks and throttle the midfield. And we'd have long stretches of games, even against top teams, where we did that. It's got to the point now where it looks like the intent is to empty midfield and have these crazy basketball games. And if it isn't the intent, then he's spent the last 9 months not really doing anything to try and remedy it which is even more concerning.
 
I have never put anyone on ignore and have always thought I never would - for me it's important to try to understand why people think differently, to try to understand where they're coming from etc. But I must admit you're a different case, there's no substance, just the same "jokes" repeated as nauseum. So maybe in this very rare instance you're right. Meh, it's late and we're all fucking pissed off, maybe I am just being a moody cunt, will revisit tomorrow.
We are all pissed off

Have a good evening
 
I have never put anyone on ignore and have always thought I never would - for me it's important to try to understand why people think differently, to try to understand where they're coming from etc. But I must admit you're a different case, there's no substance, just the same "jokes" repeated as nauseum. So maybe in this very rare instance you're right. Meh, it's late and we're all fucking pissed off, maybe I am just being a moody cunt, will revisit tomorrow.

Just do it. Do it with me too please.

The "simpler" posters eh? One would think that the relentless, nauseating positivity merchants would have some sort of sense of shame at being proven to be over optimistic ninnies yet again .. but no, still on that high fucking horse. By the way, being our player of the season isn't a particularly competitive prize. The least embarrassingly shit player would be an accurate title.
 
Hasn't he openly bragged about this 'no plan B' stuff numerous times himself? This is not a strawman that his critics use to attack him. For whatever reason he takes pride in being single-minded. I genuinely think his single-mindedness comes from a point of inability rather than unwillingness. He just doesn't know how to play any other way. He wouldn't be able to organize a low block, very direct counter attacking team if his life depended on it, even for brief periods during games when we're desperately trying to hold on to a lead. His 9 man high line defense that took so much heat against Chelsea is probably the best example of this.

Today and Brighton match should've been a walk in the park after 2-0 . Slightly lower the intensity of press and our defensive line, get behind the ball with lots of men, try to punish in counters via our pacy wingers. Simple game management stuff that hundreds of managers succesfully execute all the time. Instead we kept our high intensity, bordering-on-kamikaze style of play for no reason and threw both games. It's such a criminal mismanagement on Ange's part that I'm almost inclined to think that he's doing it on purpose. To prove a point or something. It's that bad.
I'm not as knowledgeable as other posters here, so I was hoping that perhaps you were seeing adjustments that I wasn't noticing.
 
Looks like I'm the only one left on here who is Ange in...

Happy to take abuse for this- but I think the risky style of play is not the problem, but the lack of investment in the squad. Too many mediocre players and not enough depth.

I personally am in the camp where I think both are true.

There are elements of Ange’s way of playing/management is giving me major concerns right now, but I also feel that the board/Ange had a complete dereliction of duty in the transfer market in the summer by mainly bringing in kids - we need players for the now
 
Looks like I'm the only one left on here who is Ange in...

Happy to take abuse for this- but I think the risky style of play is not the problem, but the lack of investment in the squad. Too many mediocre players and not enough depth.

I agree with you, the real problem is lack of investment.

But it's not either or or

I want it to work out for Ange but just being realistic there's only so much failure manager will get away with. A 4-3 loss to chelsea isn't the deal breaker. But the run he's on, doesn't end well for him

I don't blame ange though as I don't think any manager is much more likely to win us anything. I don't think THFC is set up that way
Don't even believe a change of ownership would address that to be honest. If anyone ever buys this franchise off enic, they'll have bought a stadium, beyonce concerts, racing tracks. Not a football club.
 
Looks like I'm the only one left on here who is Ange in...

Happy to take abuse for this- but I think the risky style of play is not the problem, but the lack of investment in the squad. Too many mediocre players and not enough depth.

Our team is not the 11th best in the league. Ange is massively under-performing. He has underperformed since an incredible start, we have consistently gone downhill over a long period. Our players look shattered, regularly end up with injuries likely related to the style/training, and almost nobody has developed or improved under him. It is fucking shocking.

Sorry but anyone not seeing that the style is an issue is just being ignorant now. That game epitomised why it is an issue. At 2-0 we were constantly throwing ourselves at Chelsea players and leaving huge gaps when we didn't need to. The constant full tilt, high risk stuff works at lower levels but there has to be more nuance.

Chelsea have better footballers than us. No doubt. But their LB slipped twice and gave us an early 2-0 lead in our backyard. What did we do? We played like we were 3 down. Our players throw themselves around like they're on crack. That's coaching 100%.

We have players with physical/technical tools who have not developed their footballing brain one iota under Ange, in fact they have become thicker, probably because they're buying his absolutist all or nothing bullshit.
 
Just do it. Do it with me too please.

The "simpler" posters eh? One would think that the relentless, nauseating positivity merchants would have some sort of sense of shame at being proven to be over optimistic ninnies yet again .. but no, still on that high fucking horse. By the way, being our player of the season isn't a particularly competitive prize. The least embarrassingly shit player would be an accurate title.
What high horse? What the fuck are you talking about? We're a fucking mess at the moment, and Ange doesn't seem to have a fucking clue what to do about it. I was merely pointing out that Kulu, having been our best player this season, is most certainly not the main problem, or whatever it was that he said. So perhaps you need to get off your fucking high horse, or at least pick your targets for your aggression more carefully.
 
What high horse? What the fuck are you talking about? We're a fucking mess at the moment, and Ange doesn't seem to have a fucking clue what to do about it. I was merely pointing out that Kulu, having been our best player this season, is most certainly not the main problem, or whatever it was that he said. So perhaps you need to get off your fucking high horse, or at least pick your targets for your aggression more carefully.

He said he was a big part of the problem we have. Which can be true at the same time as Kulu being our "best player" this season, when really being our "best player" means he's had a couple of high profile good games but mostly meandered about as usual.

I need to? You're the one who decided to have an unprovoked pop due to an OPINION.
 
Having just read up on Philippe Clement, there is a clear argument that he is a better and more successful manager than Ange prior to arriving in Scotland…

Levels.
 
It’s genuinely fascinating how some supporters seem ready to proclaim the apocalypse at our club should Ange be shown the door, as if he’s the final roll of the managerial dice and no one else in world football could possibly be entrusted with rebuilding this team. It’s the footballing equivalent of declaring the sun will never rise again should he depart—a dramatic overestimation, to say the least.

The devotion is, quite frankly, cult-like. And no, that’s not hyperbole anymore; it’s a serious observation now, I have never seen a manager at this club be so highly rated for doing so little; his tenure has become something akin to scripture—sacred, immune to critique, and alarmingly detached from the hard evidence staring us in the face, this idea that he will improve and this team will improve under him is entirely divorced from observable reality at this point, when will the penny drop for some of you?

WHEN his time with us inevitably ends (and it will), he might genuinely consider founding a religion lol, I am being sincere here as well.

The man clearly has a gift for rallying unwavering discipleship, even when the path he’s leading them down seems destined to dead-end in mediocrity and broken promises.

Perhaps it’s the allure of a charismatic grifter offering comforting fictions—a footballing pied piper for those in need of a figure to follow and adore, (like a father figure to some I imagine) regardless of whether his "hymns" lead to triumph or torment.

:ange-arms:

The idea that Ange is "a decent bloke" is pure, unfiltered copium. Let’s call it what it is: a fallacy. Time and again, his so-called geniality has been overshadowed by his passive-aggressive tendencies, thinly veiled insecurity, and a stubborn ego that refuses to acknowledge fault or adapt. The mask has slipped too many times to buy into the “nice guy” myth any longer.

Take today as yet another prime example. He deflected blame onto injuries yet again to explain away the shortcomings of his system and in-game management. We were 2-0 up, a more pragmatic, tactically astute manager—one with less hubris—would have adjusted, closed the game out or at least changed the strategy, and taken all 3 points or at the very least, a point. Instead, we got yet another demonstration of his one-dimensional, tragically predictable “Ange Ball,” a philosophy seemingly allergic to evolution or nuance; but you know it's "entertaining" right? LOL, what is entertaining about it exactly? Please tell me...

Oh, and about those injuries he’s crying about? Let’s not forget that he rushed players like Romero and Van de Ven back into action prematurely, likely exacerbating their conditions and sidelining them for even longer just to try and save his own bacon (shock) great news for a club in multiple comps isn't it?

And as for the replacement for Romero? We paid a hefty sum for Drags services, but suddenly, he’s not good enough Ange? It's all on Romero? Have we not lost multiple winnable games this season with both Romero and VDV fit? Curious logic, isn’t it people?

Perhaps the real injury we’re dealing with is Ange’s fragile ego—it’s proving far more detrimental to the team than anything else at this club currently, the only one who supersedes him in the failure olympics is Levy but even he can't be blamed for the awful results we have seen this season.

Shocking state of affairs.
Yeah, he's a snake oil salesman.

It's interesting.

I suspect some who have dug-in and are still desperately clinging on to Ange eventually coming good, are of a similar personality profile as him.

They bulldozed ahead with a one-dimensional view, ignoring his flaws, and lashed out at those who criticised them.

Sound familiar?

They're never going to admit they were totally wrong.

Neither is Ange.
 
Looks like I'm the only one left on here who is Ange in...

Happy to take abuse for this- but I think the risky style of play is not the problem, but the lack of investment in the squad. Too many mediocre players and not enough depth.
Lack of investment? No, just bad investment. Solanke, Rich, BJ that’s a 170M forward line. Werner is on 170 grand a week.
We can’t keep pretending we don’t spend a lot.
 
Unrelated.. But if Pep leaves at the end of his contract in 2026. Are we still worried about them sniffing around Ange? We were told a lot about that a lot about a year or so ago by Neville and the brain trust at Talksport and such. I'm just wondering where we're all at with that.
 
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