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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Shadydan said:
If the likes of Iraola and Silva carry on they're not going to be short of options so why move now when you could have better and more choices in the Summer?

Why put yourself under more pressure leaving a job where you are doing well coming into a role where you are firefighting from day one and expected to get results despite having no time or pre season.

If I was one of them I'd be asking myself why would I move to a club who sack a manager with half the team missing and halfway through a rebuild, that's a massive red flag.
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I think managers are used to the rhythm of hiring and firing. They know they have a small window of opportunity when their stock is high and, to grab the financial reward that comes with the opportunity, you jump ship.

And getting sacked doesn’t phase them, especially at Spurs. I think Ange is on 5 million a year. If we sack him, he’s going to get over 10 million. Quite easy to stick to your principles when that’s the payoff!

It really is just the money.
 
Richard Arlison said:
We could get Iraola or Silva out of Bournemouth or Fulham easily. They would both be mad to turn down the money.

Silva would be a horrible fit for this squad, Iraola on paper is a better fit but I would expect similar issues to happen and the fanbase to turn on him even quicker than they have Ange because he's not as good with the media. He's not as idealistic so the chaotic Liverpool result doesn't happen under Iraola most likely because he's not as idealistic but there is no reason why the Palace, Forest, and Fulham results wouldn't happen under Iraola.
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I will guarantee you neither manager will move now, we're not Real Madrid lol were not even Man Utd...we don't have a fuck load of cash to drop in January...people talk about the money but we are paying Ange £5m per year, we are not paying Conte money where it would be life changing for these managers.

Ange didn't even leave his post at Celtic when we approached him in March 2023

Tottenham isn't a big draw unfortunately especially under these owners, that's the sad reality.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Not in this current, tired and broken state physically.

At full strength, with energetic and physical advantages this team can beat anyone in the EL, whether it's Ange playing this style or the next attacking, front foot manager. If anything, Ange's cultish, motivational speaker style would probably give him a slight advantage over the next man if we did get to a Final.
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I get what you're saying. I feel this tired and broken state is partly because of him. I want us to be a pressing team but we are doing it for far too long in games, and in games we don't really need to. Solanke and Kulusevski are doing a ridiculous amount of running.

If we got to a final we are likely not to be at full strength and lacking in energy... just can't see us getting past the Spanish or Italian clubs the way we set up defensively.
 
Unfortunately seems every manager only with victories a good manager to be.
Losts - and then in more matches in the row - that's not that what a manager are hired for.
He have to bring victories - at the best in every match.

But a great poster here said the for me absolutly the best words in this thread (but that is my opinion, and these may be wrong, like the work of a bad manager):

Forgot all the victories in the first 10 matches of the last season?
Could the reasen be, that the owner of Tottenham Hotspur FC the man is, who is the first who THFC bring to fall?
An then? Hire the next manager and the next and so on (one of them will be the right one for)?

Only easy questions from a footballfan in Germany.
I know now, that I was wrong as I'm one of the fans that our coach must be fired because we played a disaster second half of the season last year.
Now this team is ready for more.

So I think Ange can do! And the team can do ist!
Maybe the mistake could be find in a other official position?

Only my 2 cents.

Excuse my still bad english. I try and try and try, someday I will be better speak english than german.)
 
Richard Arlison said:
We could get Iraola or Silva out of Bournemouth or Fulham easily. They would both be mad to turn down the money.

Silva would be a horrible fit for this squad, Iraola on paper is a better fit but I would expect similar issues to happen and the fanbase to turn on him even quicker than they have Ange because he's not as good with the media. He's not as idealistic so the chaotic Liverpool result doesn't happen under Iraola most likely but there is no reason why the Palace, Forest, and Fulham results wouldn't happen under Iraola.
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Ange is absolutely terrible with the media, hard to imagine Iraola is any worse.
 
Notabadsquad said:
If Postecoglou isn't going to be sacked, then he has to be backed to the hilt in January.

All quite peculiar.
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maybe waiting for the performance measures to trigger action? don't know but League cup, uefa, being able to qualify for europe may be the justification ? .. thoroughly nice chap 🙂 but business is business. I wonder what Jose did?
can't imagine just paying out.
 
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Shadydan said:
I will guarantee you neither manager will move now, we're not Real Madrid lol were not even Man Utd...we don't have a fuck load of cash to drop in January...people talk about the money but we are paying Ange £5m per year, we are not paying Conte money where it would be life changing for these managers.

Ange didn't even leave his post at Celtic when we approached him in March 2023

Tottenham isn't a big draw unfortunately especially under these owners, that's the sad reality.
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Not sure how you can guarrantee that at all. Why wouldn't they be willing to triple their wages and have a pop at winning the EL?
 
Skippa18 said:
I get what you're saying. I feel this tired and broken state is partly because of him. I want us to be a pressing team but we are doing it for far too long in games, and in games we don't really need to. Solanke and Kulusevski are doing a ridiculous amount of running.

If we got to a final we are likely not to be at full strength and lacking in energy... just can't see us getting past the Spanish or Italian clubs the way we set up defensively.
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It's because of him in that he wants to play this style and he refused to fully tank it in the cups and Europa.

Any coach that wants to play this physically demanding style, without the depth required to do it would have had to prioritize the league over the others or suffer injuries and fatigue. Ange didn't prioritize and now his system is tired, injured and broken.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Not sure how you can guarrantee that at all. Why wouldn't they be willing to triple their wages and have a pop at winning the EL?
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Just like theres no guarantees in life that these guys won't up and leave their current posts, there's no guarantees that these guys will be able to have a crack at the Europa League and I did have a chuckle to myself at the fact that both managers are sitting there salivating at the prospect of progressing in the EL not the CL, kinda justified my point about us not really being a big draw.
 
For me the biggest game for him now is the first leg against Liverpool.
If we get turned over big in that game he'll get sacked. If we are still in the tie then he'll have until the 2nd leg. If after that we exit, he'll get sacked. If we get to the final he'll be here to manage that.

Levy isn't going to sack him after what he did to mourinho. He won't want people saying he fired another manager before a big cup game in the same way he doesn't want to repeat the mason experiment for a third time.

I'd be surprised if Munn, Lange and Levy haven't already started to get their list of managers together in the background. They have 2/3 weeks more before they have to make that final decision.
 
Shadydan said:
Just like theres no guarantees in life that these guys won't up and leave their current posts, there's no guarantees that these guys will be able to have a crack at the Europa League and I did have a chuckle to myself at the fact that both managers are sitting there salivating at the prospect of progressing in the EL not the CL, kinda justified my point about us not really being a big draw.
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You said you guaranteed it and now you say there are no guarantees.

Bournemoth and Fulham aren't qualifying for the CL btw.. Not sure what you ae getting at there.
 
WillWilliams said:
Quick question.

When I look in the mirror should I be wearing my Steve Irwin safari suit, wearing my bottle cork hat and holding my pet koala??
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You can wear whatever floats your boat.
Notabadsquad said:
Whatever mate but he needs more players or to be dismissed.
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He must go. He must.
If Levy doesn't sack him, I'd rather not waste a single penny, nor would I sanction any sales whatsoever while he's here.
Nuts said:
What was his record like with signings at Celtic? All strong or a mixed bag?
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Doesn't matter. A player who shines for Celtic will look like a clogger 9/10 in the PL.
Dixiefish61 said:
That is so damming. Only 1 more goal scored for this balls out, all attacking (frankly playground) approach than the man with the handbrake on.
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Ange's stats are padded by hammering poor teams like West Ham, Villa, Southampton, Everton and Man City.
2 goals scored agains Leicester, Ipswich, Palace, Fulham, Palace, Forest shows what we're really like.
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What’s Guardiola and Amorin over the same period?
Got to be similar.

Is that their level too? Are we saying Pep is done?
Amorin is not up to the job? Not even getting a new manager bounce!
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Guardiola is done. The will part ways at the of the season at the latest. He's got everything he can out of them and it's time for him to move on. He can't fix it.

Amorim has only just started there. If we compare his start at United to Ange's at Spurs, I'd rather we started badly under Ange and we then saw progress.
That isn't what has happened though. Ange has made us worse and it's clear for all to see. Now those 10 games are gone, we're seeing the real level we're at.
If you want the whole season PPG, it's still only 1.3ppg across all 18 games.
I said a few weeks ago that it was being padded out by an unusually kind run of fixtures, especially when we played United , Villa and City whilst on their knees.

I genuinely cannot recall the last time we beat a team in a league match when that team were in any kind of good form WHEN we beat them.

That is the scary part. We literally only beat bad teams and even that isn't guaranteed.
 
deadleyledley said:
For me the biggest game for him now is the first leg against Liverpool.
If we get turned over big in that game he'll get sacked. If we are still in the tie then he'll have until the 2nd leg. If after that we exit, he'll get sacked. If we get to the final he'll be here to manage that.

Levy isn't going to sack him after what he did to mourinho. He won't want people saying he fired another manager before a big cup game in the same way he doesn't want to repeat the mason experiment for a third time.

I'd be surprised if Munn, Lange and Levy haven't already started to get their list of managers together in the background. They have 2/3 weeks more before they have to make that final decision.
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Could you actually care less if he was employed by THFC and we won the league cup?
Ignoring the fact Liverpool will spank the fucking life out of us over 2 legs and either of Woolwich or Newcastle will see us off in a theoretical final without breaking sweat, what difference does it make?
Winning a 2nd rate domestic cup and finishing bottom half with an ever decreasing PPG the longer he stays is unacceptable. If he's somehow managed to survive until May, won the league cup and the league form is the same, he still needs to go. If we win a cup it's despite him, not because of him.
 
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