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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Deuterz said:
Pochettino was literally the one who put Maresca on this path. Their form before he was sacked was as good as anything they've been this season - the pathway was set. He guided them through a very difficult period with 500 players, finally got some cohesion together and Caicedo, Palmer etc performing and then he got sacked, probably for political reasons as much as anything else.
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Maresca has taken them up a level though and it was still a billion pound squad of talent.

Poch isn’t a bad coach, that’s not what I’m saying. What I’m mainly saying is the quality of talent was the biggest factor in that team we had reaching the levels it did.

How likely are we to turn a 5m Championship kid into another Dele? Or another Kane to come through our academy? Or even another Walker from a Sheffield UTD?
 
Richard Arlison said:
Maresca has taken them up a level though and it was still a billion pound squad of talent.

Poch isn’t a bad coach, that’s not what I’m saying. What I’m mainly saying is the quality of talent was the biggest factor in that team we had reaching the levels it did.

How likely are we to turn a 5m Championship kid into another Dele? Or another Kane to come through our academy? Or even another Walker from a Sheffield UTD?
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Has he? They're basically a top 4 side. Their title challenge thing was a myth and they're within a couple of points of Forest. I can't be arsed to look but I'm almost certain Pochettino prior to his sacking was in the top 3 in the form table. They won nearly all their end of season games including piecing us up. Maresca came in to a team where Caicedo etc had settled, his job was to finetune and apply his own preferences.

I feel like there's been a huge about turn on this forum. A lot of people (I swear including you?) were waxing lyrical about the talent we had not long ago. Yeah it still needed work and depth but people have gone from overrating to underrating the squad weirdly. We have a collection of useful footballers and some genuinely promising young talent under the right circs.
 

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8andA1/2Peppers said:
I remember someone describing him as a boutique manager, and thats pretty apt. He may well be the most brilliant coach ever, certainly of my lifetime. But I think he would go off kilter or maybe even lose a bit of hunger if he didn't have the elite options available to enact his football. Less that he "couldn't" do it with lesser players. More that he wouldn't care to do so because he couldn't achieve the level on the pitch that would excite him.

We're seeing it now. Or the start of it at least.
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I don’t believe he has the heart for what’s in front of him, but he knows that if he walks he’s going to get labelled as a quitter for walking away when the going got tough for the first time in his career.

How he must wish he’d left in the summer, I bet if he could turn back turn time he’d do exactly that.
 
Tomo said:
Maybe Worse. Pep would be a horror show at this club and I say that as someone who accepts he is one of the greatest managers of all time. He plays such a high risk technical style and it works brilliantly with the right players but getting our players to attempt it would be nuts, we are miles off any attempt at that.
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You know what? I reckon that isn't far off what's happened here. There has been precious little Angeball played by Tottenham in the style of his previous teams, and that's even in the first 10 games. The squad and the manager are completely mis-matched. That's not to say the buck stops with him, of course it does, but especially after 18 months, its just not working for the team and the manager.
 
Doom Funk said:
Wolves will beat us

I have no doubt about it
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its a bit of a different wolves now, won the last 2 and have a new lease of life. if we cant win that....surelyyyyyyy hes sacked later that night.

this is the last chance for them to salvage the season, games are running out, 5th will be too much if hes not gone soon.

its insanity keeping him, they must be working on iraola and silva behind the scenes.
 
jrg83 said:
But that’s the point isn’t it?, he’s lost those players and plowed on regardless with the same tactics etc, that’s total ineptitude or at best ridiculously naive is it not?
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The problem as I see it is that Postecoglou has painted himself into a corner. He has publically stated his belief in his sytem and he's also said publically if he deviates from it the players will lose belief.

In reality, at least one player ( kulu) has publically said the opposite-that the team should adjust to the circumstances.

If he simply said : "Right lads, we're in a difficult situation with injures/players missing/the minutes I'm asking of you. We retain our core belief of attacking and pressing possession-based football but we need to be more judicious in when we play our way and when sit back or play direct".

I belive the players would not only not lose faith but would respond positively.
 
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Deuterz said:
Well that's the least inspiring vote of confidence ever.

Basically, we don't want to sack you .. but these results are shit and if they don't improve, we will if we have to.

I think if he doesn't get at least 4 points from the next 3 it will force their hand.
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Isn't that fair-minded and reasonable in the cirumstances? Yes the results are shit. But yes there are mitigating circumstances with players being unavailable. If he turns it around in the next few weeks we keep going. If not he's gone.
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
Isn't that fair-minded and reasonable in the cirumstances? Yes the results are shit. But yes there are mitigating circumstances with players being unavailable. If he turns it around in the next few weeks we keep going. If not he's gone.
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But why's now the time for the club to suddenly keep a close eye on the results? We've more or less been in this kind of form since March. Why's now the time to go "Ok, it was funny for the last 7 months. But now the next couple of weeks are the big ones". It just feels a strange pivot in two weeks from briefing the press that there is no pressure whatsoever, to now suddenly the club realises that results need improving.

Arse from elbow springs to mind in regards to the club.
 
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