There are players on that list that have won more prestigious silverware too.
Regardless, players winning after leaving - which is about 30+ now - continues to grow.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Regardless, players winning after leaving - which is about 30+ now - continues to grow.
It has got to a point where it is getting impossible for me to understand people that think we should go on with this manager.
Based on what really?
OK - I get it, even bigger injury issues hit and selection got worse. That does suck and makes his job more difficult. Agreed.
I was pretty much OK with the starting XI. With the assumption that Kulu would be our substitute for Solanke with Son and Madders on the wing. But in game, it was Kulu on right Sonny as ST and Madders somewhere on left I think? And we just kept hoofing long balls upfield for Solanke to take them down. Even when he was not part of the squad?
I mean, come on. Ange has been here for more than 1,5 seasons. Maybe time to learn most basic and simple thing - if we want to keep playing like we are SON. CANNOT. BE. A. ST (!). But no. Not the simplest thing learned.
Then the game keeps going. It is painfully obvious that this setup is not working. And what is our managers solution? Just to stand there with grim face and do ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL. Just stand there and let them score goal after goal. No instructions given, no tactical to come up with - absolutely nothing. Just was standing there and see us lose the game with first 45.
EXACTLY the same scenario as in last season home NLD. Woolwich scored 3 in first half, and not a single effort was made to stop it or make alterations. And just like today, we scrape extra late goal so everyone can come with excuse "oh, but it was such a narrow loss!". In some instances (though did not hear today anyone say it) talking about "deserving more". Fucksake - where is the progress. We are not getting better. It is always the same- no in game management.
Or if one wants to be really cynical, one could say that "well, on Wed he did make things worse in the interval, so fact that he did not today is a step forward" .
I am absolutely done. I want manager who wants to get the results and is willing to do ANYTHING to make it happen. Not to just stand there and do nothing. Leaving players just on their own. Ange time is totally and thoroughly up - Jan window is still open and we are still in some cup competitions, lets appoint someone who does not oversee zero progress over 450 days please. Someone who has managed before on the top level of the game, not someone from 3rd rate leagues where you can throw off first half and then still come from behind to smash half-amateurs you are facing.
Based on what really?
OK - I get it, even bigger injury issues hit and selection got worse. That does suck and makes his job more difficult. Agreed.
I was pretty much OK with the starting XI. With the assumption that Kulu would be our substitute for Solanke with Son and Madders on the wing. But in game, it was Kulu on right Sonny as ST and Madders somewhere on left I think? And we just kept hoofing long balls upfield for Solanke to take them down. Even when he was not part of the squad?
I mean, come on. Ange has been here for more than 1,5 seasons. Maybe time to learn most basic and simple thing - if we want to keep playing like we are SON. CANNOT. BE. A. ST (!). But no. Not the simplest thing learned. Then the game keeps going. It is painfully obvious that this setup is not working. And what is our managers solution? Just to stand there with grim face and do ABSOLUTELY FUCK ALL. Just stand there and let them score goal after goal. No instructions given, no tactical to come up with - absolutely nothing. Just was standing there and see us lose the game with first 45.
EXACTLY the same scenario as in last season home NLD. Woolwich scored 3 in first half, and not a single effort was made to stop it or make alterations. And just like today, we scrape extra late goal so everyone can come with excuse "oh, but it was such a narrow loss!". In some instances (though did not hear today anyone say it) talking about "deserving more". Fucksake - where is the progress. We are not getting better. It is always the same- no in game management.
Or if one wants to be really cynical, one could say that "well, on Wed he did make things worse in the interval, so fact that he did not today is a step forward"
. I am absolutely done. I want manager who wants to get the results and is willing to do ANYTHING to make it happen. Not to just stand there and do nothing. Leaving players just on their own. Ange time is totally and thoroughly up - Jan window is still open and we are still in some cup competitions, lets appoint someone who does not oversee zero progress over 450 days please. Someone who has managed before on the top level of the game, not someone from 3rd rate leagues where you can throw off first half and then still come from behind to smash half-amateurs you are facing.
That's the only time I've agreed with him.
We had a very real top 4 chance and we absolutely should have gone for the win.
Fans wanting us to fail stop goons succeeding was and is embarrassing.
If it was THIS season where we don't even have pride to play for, yeah, throw the game.
But never do it when we have a "prize" on the line.
Mason is much better than this.
Much.
Thought it was 3+1 so at best, 1.3ish years?
Were you not entertained for the last 10 mins
This isn't true. Potter when he was sacked by Chelsea got paid a fraction of the £60m left on his contract. A decent fraction, but a fraction nonetheless.
Read it on some Football London article.
football.london writers give verdict on Ange Postecoglou sack after Everton loss
Latest Tottenham news following the shocking defeat to Everton with Ange Postecoglou potentially now facing the sack
www.football.london
The fact that we look horrible defensively under Ange and don't know what we're doing.
I really can't see anyone doing worse in that regard.
The point is that we are going to have to roll the dice and change something
We are on a collision course with a fucking huge iceberg
I don't even want fucking Ryan mason , no one does
We are losing every single week and nothing is changing , bringing in mason still probably won't change anything but it's as close to guaranteed if we stick with the Aussie Buffoon
But then you know this
Contrarian gotta be contrary
lol perhaps but being sacked 6 months into a five year 12m+ a season contract isn’t the same as being sacked halfway through. There’s less room to negotiate.
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There are. Half a dozen maybe? Modric, Bale, Carrick, Berbatov, Walker? No more off the top of my head. All several years or longer ago.
When Ange is sacked, he'll never get a job in the premier league ever again and that speaks volumes about how bad of an appointment he has been for us and why we should have ended it after the Ipswich defeat.
Summit like that...
Plus, being Celtic manager, he must understand bitter rivalry, but it's been from the other end of the telescope...
Celtic had Rangers at arms length for years... Ange just continued that dominance.
Spurs have been threatening to overtake Woolwich, but in truth, it never really amounted to much, and we resorted to type, by having to 'support' whoever Woolwich were playing... Even at the detriment of our own achievements...
That's something I genuinely don't think he could grasp, and I think a lot of love and goodwill was lost that week... On BOTH sides!
Then again, had he not coached us to 3-4 successive defeats in the run up to that City game, we wouldn't have had anything to worry about, and would've been comfortably in 4th place!
Tbf, it’s much harder to get a coach for a ‘big’ club because the expectations is much higher - reactive football isn’t really tolerated by the fans as a rule (Chelsea and Woolwich aside, but they don’t count as they have no class or taste) - look at MU since SAF retired. Not counting ‘Pool at the moment as that’s mainly Klopp’s squad and City are falling apart - reserve judgement for a season.
Thing is, I'm fairly certain that when the injury list clears up enough, we won't even be flirting with relegation.
The question then is: who can come in now, or is it another Mason caretaker job?
If the new manager (whoever it is) would be shit in the cups then I wouldn't want to bring them in now. The cups are pretty much all we're left with now. Unless, of course, there emerged such a terrible mood in the team over Ange being a dead man walking that literally any change would perk them up.
The question then is: who can come in now, or is it another Mason caretaker job?
If the new manager (whoever it is) would be shit in the cups then I wouldn't want to bring them in now. The cups are pretty much all we're left with now. Unless, of course, there emerged such a terrible mood in the team over Ange being a dead man walking that literally any change would perk them up.
Might as well get me in in that case, if we're changing for the sake of changing
Levy might as well hire himself for the job
Changing the manager just because 'the alternative' cannot be this bad isn't an argument, it's desperation and stupidity.
He knows that full and well but he's trolling because Ange is his boy and he has to defend the indefensible, apparently players leave Spurs now to play in Moldova, pathetic.
Tired of hearing about the injury excuses, but at least he admits that the first half structure he went with was utter garbage
We’ve spent years demanding winners play for us and manage us. Then we said we didn’t want to win that particular match. Maybe obvious for you, but wasn’t for everyone. I wanted us to beat City. I want us to win more than I want that other lot to lose.
Nothing against anyone who thinks differently, but I get why Ange thought it was strange. And as you point out, he knows all about rivalry. The old firm rivalry is many times more bitter than ours with the squatters.