After today, we could all do with a happy endingI thought he was into massage parlours. Could build one at Hotspur way for him. Would be too good an offer to refuse.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Traditionally, we are bigger than all those teams you've mentioned and yes, not winning a cup as Spurs manager SHOULD be seen as a failure.
Fair play to Harry, he took us from mid-table mediocrity back into the Top 4, but from that point every manager has failed in my book.
Let’s be honest he got lucky. For each of those there’s an AVB, Nuno, and Ramos.
I'm not saying he didn't. But the original poster said it was failed manager one after the other, which simply isn't true.
Also when Levy took over we were roughly 11th-14th place in the league. He then took us into the top 6 and established us as one of the world's richest clubs. The only other team that managed to break into that group in England were Man City, and they only managed it due to oil billions. Levy basically did it on a zero net spend, and under Poch we very nearly won the league and CL.
All the while the owners of the likes of Everton, Villa, Newcastle, Leeds etc - our rivals when Levy took over - were busy destroying their clubs and taking them into the Championship.
I don't like Levy and don't think he knows much about football, but those who moan about him and claim he's the only one holding us back have to explain which owner they would have preferred over the last 20 years who isn't connected to an oil state or the Russian mafia.
You're right. Based on this I think anyone who demanded Nuno be sacked should also perform a public struggle session on this site before ever offering an opinion again. After all a bloke who can get Forest to be challenging for the title is quite clearly a brilliant manager who no reasonable football fan would ever call to be sacked right?
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Oh my gosh... all my assumptions have been shattered. I thought you were the oracle of all things correct about football and managers.
Wow... now I don't know what to believe? You bastard
The turning point was the day we signed this fraud.
All jokes aside, it was Chelsea home last year. Never seen a more moronic display of "tactics" in my life, or a bigger bottling of any chance at a title race in one day. And to think half the muppets in the stadium stood up and applauded that shit
We got battered by our fierce rivals 1-4 at home, it should have been 1-8, and the fanbase are clapping. Pathetic bunch of seals.Of course it's a failure if a manager fail to win trophies. The longer time passes, the bigger this failure becomes. A serious club doesn't accept that this failure becomes too big. So Emery is failing but his failure is still quite small and there is a good reason for the Villa owners to believe that he actually will win a trophy in the near future. Is Ange's failure small? Yes, it is. Is there a good reason for Levy to believe that he will win a trophy in the near future? No.
Fucking dumb take
how much of that was down to levy and how much of it was down to spurs actually being a big club. spurs were seen as a big 4/5 club before levy came about.
hes done some good work away from football, but his football operations have stunk. over 25 years, i think the few moments of joy we have had with football has been down to luck more than anything. eventually a bit of shit is going to stick, its law of averages.
i was willing to give him till now because he did say after the stadium was built money would be spent on the squad, which it has. but hes failed yet again, the hiring of this charlatan manager and persisting with him is the final straw for me. his intentions might be good but hes not got a clue about football, thats been made obvious. hes even tried to hire a DOF and fucked that up by hiring a crook who would end up being banned from working. you couldnt make it up.
Seeing Ange interviewed now is quite sad . He comes across as a guy who went into the casino for the first time and bet on his families birth dates on roulette and he won. He then went back 3 more times and did the same thing and won every time , he was convinced he had a system. He now goes back and regularly does his bollocks but believes his system has to come good.
Ange mate you had some good luck and now you have been found out , you did not have a magic system. I have to say for while at the start I thought you did when you lifted the gloom around the place. I even chose to hope you did when the evidence was mounting up that you didn’t . but the facts are you are getting your pants pulled down every time you walk through the door now
I am genuinely gutted for us that it didn’t work out , but also for Ange because seeing everything he believed , he was so sure of unravel must be really hard to to take.
Ange mate you had some good luck and now you have been found out , you did not have a magic system. I have to say for while at the start I thought you did when you lifted the gloom around the place. I even chose to hope you did when the evidence was mounting up that you didn’t . but the facts are you are getting your pants pulled down every time you walk through the door now
I am genuinely gutted for us that it didn’t work out , but also for Ange because seeing everything he believed , he was so sure of unravel must be really hard to to take.
Yeah I'd agree with that. I just think all this noise about blaming everything on Levy is just a way to deflect any blame from Ange. And of course, Levy bears ultimate responsibility for hiring that moron. But equally, he's put the structures in place to build what I think is a relatively decent squad over the last couple of years, and built a stadium which is pissing money. He's far from perfect, but we could do a lot worse.
And most importantly, he's going nowhere, so all the chat about him is so boring. It's like yelling at clouds.
Poch was a failure and Ramos was a complete success, is that right?
The rose-tinted glasses for Poch are strange. So many weeks we watched the same slow, boring, patient build up. Just passing the ball endlessly around midfield. Zero urgency, even when down with a few minutes to play.
He had an elite talented squad; and was playing in probably the worse EPL since its inception - With City, Woolwich, Chelsea, United, Liverpool all transitioning through rebuilds.
Poch had 1 game plan. Keep the ball, play it safe, wait for Eriksen to find a pass.
He had an elite talented squad; and was playing in probably the worse EPL since its inception - With City, Woolwich, Chelsea, United, Liverpool all transitioning through rebuilds.
Poch had 1 game plan. Keep the ball, play it safe, wait for Eriksen to find a pass.
yep, thats the most frustrating thing with it all, the foundations are great. but levy is the chairman equivalent to postecoglou the manager. we just have to pray that once this clown is sacked he gets lucky like he did with poch, because now we have even stronger foundations. the right manager can do big things with this club.
i think if we can get either iraola, terzic or silva then there will be a buzz about the place. anyone else is underwhelming.
Funny thing is, prior to today, people had been brainstorming in various threads about how this team would look like in a back 3 for quite some time. Our wingers are our Achilles heel. We have fullbacks who can keep up with that intensity for 90 minutes without having insurmountable problems. Some of the aforementioned wingers, who are poor in a traditional role, could do with playing narrower and/or as a secondary striker. Even Kulusevski and Maddison are midfielders who can score at a decent rate. We have workhorses in midfield who, if it comes down to it, can handle playing in a 2 man midfield. In a compact team where pressing is a collective effort that is, not what we witnessed today. This could have been a good way for him to reinvent himself and get credit for it. What a wasted opportunity on his part.
He made such a mess of it that from now on any mention of a back 3 will probably be met with scorn and ridicule, as people will rightfully be remembering this first half. Well done.
He made such a mess of it that from now on any mention of a back 3 will probably be met with scorn and ridicule, as people will rightfully be remembering this first half. Well done.
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Amorim has been trying to get his team to play that system for months and he's now calling his team the worst United team in history because they simply won't get it.
I think we can possibly cut Postecoglou some slack for having 48 hours to try out a system forced by losing 3 first team players - on top of all the other injured players - in 72 hours.
At least he seemed open to idea which, as you say, is not a bad one in principle. And might be employed by the caretaker if/when they take over.
I was one of them - I think our squad really suits a back three. Our "wingers" are pretty much all better as inside forwards (Son, Kulu, Brennan, Richy, even Maddison could probably do great as an Eriksen style 10 in a 3-4-3).
Our fullbacks are all actually wingbacks (Porro, Udogie, Spence, etc). Davies is better as a LCB in a three, and Dragusin-Romero-VDV is an insanely strong and balanced trio.
Plus, we have the players to switch to a 3-5-2 and play Son and Solanke up top in what could be a lethal pairing. Then you have a bunch of very adequate DM double pivots in Bentancur, Sarr, Gray, Bergvall. Conte was a cunt but he would absolutely kill for this squad.
Obviously then Ange goes and plays the most batshit insane "back three" you've ever seen in your life, with Gray pushed up into the #10 and the entire right hand side of our pitch wide-fucking-open. Not a single player looked like he knew what he should be doing today. Cheers Ange, you absolute clown.
I think the biggest indictment is that it took getting to this point for him to make the shift - one of desperation rather than adapting sooner. Even then, it looked a right mess. It was only ever going to have disastrous consequences on a short turnaround with a makeshift team, at least half of whom seem like they're always playing out of position.
Players have off days, but the VAST majority of the blame has to go to poor coaching and management.
made obvious by the amount of green you could see in the middle of the pitch with a lack of white shirts occupying. hes the absolute worst lol. anyone who has the slightest idea about the game understands how important the midfield is, its where games are won and lost. if your midfield overpower and outplay your oppositions then its fucking hard for you to not come away with a win....this clown neglects the midfield like youve never seen. he ends up having wide wingers and close to them fullbacks playing in a wide CAM spot, the actual heart of the pitch is basically derelict.
id actually love to really know what the 19 other managers think of him, its actually insulting to them that hes seen as a peer right now.