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Creating the Super League can fill their pockets for sure, but for what is in it for us? We are already considered wealthy in current standard and still can't win anything. It will not make us anymore wealthier or a better team because we are in the super league. We would probably be the laughing stock.
What's in it for us, supporters? Fuck all, really.

What's in it for the owners? Billions of pounds.

To understand the attraction, you have to understand that billionaires finances are wholly different than ours. They don't collect paycheques/dividends. This is why few stocks these days pay dividends - dividends are coveted by average investors, but useless to billionaires they don't want income. They live on credit extended to them based on the value of their holdings. So when Spurs' values doubles, Lewis' values doubles and his access to capital greatly increases. That capital can be accessed to fund further investments. Money begets money.

What's in it for the club? A more competitive landscape. A closed structure Super League would enact salary controls - the billionaires don't want to frivolously waste money needlessly on players. They'd still pay the highest salaries in the world (like the NBA) so would get the best players - but collectively bargaining salary controls provides a fixed cost of labor that can be pegged to the fixed value of collectively bargained revenue (broadcasting, merchandising, etc.) And guarantees profits and growrh for owners.

In a fixed salary structure league, who "succeeds" and "fails" is about who is the best and most efficient at squad building. So, with out current setup, we'd probably not thrive, obviously. Liverpool, probably would. But the chances of us winning would be much higher in that league than in our current league, where we have to be exponentially more efficient because we have to overcome a base spending inequity. In a fixed salary Super League, we'd just have to be better at spending the same amount of money we're allowed to spend.

This is why the Knicks and Cowboys are not successful, despite being the vastly most valuable teams in their sports - they're shit at building teams and cannot leverage their value advantage to offset their lack of squad building talent.
 
The rose-tinted glasses for Poch are strange. So many weeks we watched the same slow, boring, patient build up. Just passing the ball endlessly around midfield. Zero urgency, even when down with a few minutes to play.

He had an elite talented squad; and was playing in probably the worse EPL since its inception - With City, Woolwich, Chelsea, United, Liverpool all transitioning through rebuilds.

Poch had 1 game plan. Keep the ball, play it safe, wait for Eriksen to find a pass.

Sounds a lot like Pep ball with De Bruyne
 
Vicario

Porro——-Romero——-VVD——-Udogie
Spence———Dragusin——-????———Davies
Bentancur
———Bissouma——Maddison
Bergval———Grey———-Sarr
Kulu————-Solanke————Son
Johnson——-?????——-Oddbod
Werner
———???????——-Moore

Davies and Moore are one game back, but had been unavailable for weeks.I have never seen an injury list at Spurs like this in all my time, that I can remember. And this is a fucking meh team/squad to start with.

As I’ve said before, I’m ambivalent about Ange being sacked or not, don’t mind if he’s given to the end of the season, but if there’s someone good who’ll come in, don’t mind that either, but I really don’t know what people expect from a) this squad b) what’s left of this squad.

No matter who comes in.

Caveat
I also don’t think Ange has played a bad hand well and most weeks he’s doing things that fuck me off. Which is why I’m ambivalent.
 
i think it's possible levy is resigned to the fact that ange is a bust and he's just holding his nose as long as he can. i don't really buy that ange is levy's perfect manager. i think he's probably disappointed with lots of things about this hire.
It's one of only three things Ange is basically has full Svengali like powers and Levy is hypnotised, we have incoming owners even in part who want a say, or most likely, we have tapped up Iraola or Silva and they have agreed to come in the summer and will not walk out of their teams. The last seems most plausible.
 
What's in it for us, supporters? Fuck all, really.

What's in it for the owners? Billions of pounds.

To understand the attraction, you have to understand that billionaires finances are wholly different than ours. They don't collect paycheques/dividends. This is why few stocks these days pay dividends - dividends are coveted by average investors, but useless to billionaires they don't want income. They live on credit extended to them based on the value of their holdings. So when Spurs' values doubles, Lewis' values doubles and his access to capital greatly increases. That capital can be accessed to fund further investments. Money begets money.

What's in it for the club? A more competitive landscape. A closed structure Super League would enact salary controls - the billionaires don't want to frivolously waste money needlessly on players. They'd still pay the highest salaries in the world (like the NBA) so would get the best players - but collectively bargaining salary controls provides a fixed cost of labor that can be pegged to the fixed value of collectively bargained revenue (broadcasting, merchandising, etc.) And guarantees profits and growrh for owners.

In a fixed salary structure league, who "succeeds" and "fails" is about who is the best and most efficient at squad building. So, with out current setup, we'd probably not thrive, obviously. Liverpool, probably would. But the chances of us winning would be much higher in that league than in our current league, where we have to be exponentially more efficient because we have to overcome a base spending inequity. In a fixed salary Super League, we'd just have to be better at spending the same amount of money we're allowed to spend.

This is why the Knicks and Cowboys are not successful, despite being the vastly most valuable teams in their sports - they're shit at building teams.

If the Super League meant we didn't have to deal with PGMOL officials, the FA scheduling, and the incessant army of fan tv pundits from skysports mafia clubs, then maybe it's worth considering.

When the idea was first floated, I couldn't have been more against it. The nonsense we see from the administrators of the game here and the culture that has built up around them is slowly changing my mind. If I ever felt like the rub of the green was eventually coming our way, or if we would even get balanced representation, then maybe I'd feel different but we are about to watch City and Chelsea get off scott-free with blatant cheating... Why not see what the Super League is all about?
 
I'll leave better or worse to the experts.

We win trophies I'll be more than happy with the worst coach
Right now he's got us on the brink of relegation, 12 defeats already and still 16 games left. Humiliated by Coventry...and Tamworth. Could've lost to Ferencvaros, Qarabag and AZ. Should've conceded about 12 to Galatasaray and Roma. Humbled by not just our cunty neighbours, but Brighton, Palace. Dropped points to powerhouses like Leicester, fucking Ipswich at home.

Everyone in the footy media, ex pros, fans of other teams...they all know he's a clown, that his system is jokes and that he's an arrogant, unbearable prick to boot. Not even limited to the UK, they think likewise in France, Germany, Italy...

But yeah we beat City and United a couple times, taking a 1-goal lead to Anfield. And he says mate a lot.

Yipee fucking doo.

My Your head coach.
 
Vicario

Porro——-Romero——-VVD——-Udogie
Spence———Dragusin——-????———Davies
Bentancur
———Bissouma——Maddison
Bergval———Grey———-Sarr
Kulu————-Solanke————Son
Johnson——-?????——-Oddbod
Werner
———???????——-Moore

Davies and Moore are one game back, but had been unavailable for weeks.I have never seen an injury list at Spurs like this in all my time, that I can remember. And this is a fucking meh team/squad to start with.

As I’ve said before, I’m ambivalent about Ange being sacked or not, don’t mind if he’s given to the end of the season, but if there’s someone good who’ll come in, don’t mind that either, but I really don’t know what people expect from a) this squad b) what’s left of this squad.

No matter who comes in.

This is a pretty fair take considering what we are seeing on the pitch recently.

But there isn't a coach in the world who would come in right now, with the injuries we have, play 2 games a week and get more out of this squad without incoming transfers or some players back from injury.
 
Right now he's got us on the brink of relegation, 12 defeats already and still 16 games left. Humiliated by Coventry...and Tamworth. Could've lost to Ferencvaros, Qarabag and AZ. Should've conceded about 12 to Galatasaray and Roma. Humbled by not just our cunty neighbours, but Brighton, Palace. Dropped points to powerhouses like Leicester, fucking Ipswich at home.

Everyone in the footy media, ex pros, fans of other teams...they all know he's a clown, that his system is jokes and that he's an arrogant, unbearable prick to boot. Not even limited to the UK, they think likewise in France, Germany, Italy...

But yeah we beat City and United a couple times, taking a 1-goal lead to Anfield. And he says mate a lot.

Yipee fucking doo.

My Your head coach.

You are now bringing up games we could've lost as humiliations? WTAF


Would you tolerate for a second anyone bringing up games we could've won as something to be proud of?


Do you read your own posts back before hitting send?
 
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What's in it for us, supporters? Fuck all, really.

What's in it for the owners? Billions of pounds.

To understand the attraction, you have to understand that billionaires finances are wholly different than ours. They don't collect paycheques/dividends. This is why few stocks these days pay dividends - dividends are coveted by average investors, but useless to billionaires they don't want income. They live on credit extended to them based on the value of their holdings. So when Spurs' values doubles, Lewis' values doubles and his access to capital greatly increases. That capital can be accessed to fund further investments. Money begets money.

What's in it for the club? A more competitive landscape. A closed structure Super League would enact salary controls - the billionaires don't want to frivolously waste money needlessly on players. They'd still pay the highest salaries in the world (like the NBA) so would get the best players - but collectively bargaining salary controls provides a fixed cost of labor that can be pegged to the fixed value of collectively bargained revenue (broadcasting, merchandising, etc.) And guarantees profits and growrh for owners.

In a fixed salary structure league, who "succeeds" and "fails" is about who is the best and most efficient at squad building. So, with out current setup, we'd probably not thrive, obviously. Liverpool, probably would. But the chances of us winning would be much higher in that league than in our current league, where we have to be exponentially more efficient because we have to overcome a base spending inequity. In a fixed salary Super League, we'd just have to be better at spending the same amount of money we're allowed to spend.

This is why the Knicks and Cowboys are not successful, despite being the vastly most valuable teams in their sports - they're shit at building teams.
Yea, so your excuse is, we have a better chance at winning it with a league with all the top teams because of the system eh?

First of all, just like you said Knicks, Clippers, Browns, Kings etc have been horrible, I mean terrible, they never win anything. Yet, the owners pocket money like no tomorrow, just like the owners who wins titles. That is what Levy wants. Who cares if their team is worth alot.. Knicks, Cowboys and Clippers fans etc are fucking miserable!


What makes you confident that we will spend the money better with salary cap? If anything it will be worse with it with Levy on top. Seriously... we have trouble winning the league cup for crying out loud. We are considered one of the wealthiest in Europe and we can't win ANYTHING. You really think we have a chance in the super league?
 
Vicario

Porro——-Romero——-VVD——-Udogie
Spence———Dragusin——-????———Davies
Bentancur
———Bissouma——Maddison
Bergval———Grey———-Sarr
Kulu————-Solanke————Son
Johnson——-?????——-Oddbod
Werner
———???????——-Moore

Davies and Moore are one game back, but had been unavailable for weeks.I have never seen an injury list at Spurs like this in all my time, that I can remember. And this is a fucking meh team/squad to start with.

As I’ve said before, I’m ambivalent about Ange being sacked or not, don’t mind if he’s given to the end of the season, but if there’s someone good who’ll come in, don’t mind that either, but I really don’t know what people expect from a) this squad b) what’s left of this squad.

No matter who comes in.
What would have been your pre-season take on the players at Bournemouth then? They've got similar injuries yet perform better and always look like a well-coached team instead of a rabble...
 
Yea, so your excuse is, we have a better chance at winning it with a league with all the top teams because of the system eh?

First of all, just like you said Knicks, Clippers, Browns, Kings etc have been horrible, I mean terrible, they never win anything. Yet, the owners pocket money like no tomorrow, just like the owners who wins titles. That is what Levy wants. Who cares if their team is worth alot.. Knicks, Cowboys and Clippers fans etc are fucking miserable!


What makes you confident that we will spend the money better with salary cap? If anything it will be worse with it with Levy on top. Seriously... we have trouble winning the league cup for crying out loud. We are considered one of the wealthiest in Europe and we can't win ANYTHING. You really think we have a chance in the super league?
You mistake my (in my opinion) realist view that this is the inevitable end state of professional football for support.

I don't want this, and said as much in my first post. But, like I said a couple posts back, the entire history of capitalist economics says that the rich get what they want. And I can't see football being somehow uniquely immune to these forces.

Once the capitalists got into the game, this is the way it was always going to go. No different than the Premier League breakaway a generation ago.
 
And when a couple of players come back from injuries and we still stink, the argument is going to shift to "Oh, they just came back and feel rusty, we need a couple of weeks for them to get up to speed.

And, what happens when the injured come back then we get others injured? What if we buy 3 big signings and 2 of them get injured? When is the manager going to "MANAGE" the team and deal with circumstances? Was he hired to only manager his starting 11?
 
You mistake my (in my opinion) realist view that this is the inevitable end state of professional football for support.

I don't want this, and said as much in my first post. But, like I said a couple posts back, the entire history of capitalist economics says that the rich get what they want. And I can't see football being somehow uniquely immune to these forces.

Once the capitalists got into the game, this is the way it was always going to go. No different than the Premier League breakaway a generation ago.
Well, lets hope it does not happen. Germans already made it clear they are not interested. So we will see.
 
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