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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Matt1882 said:
I've got half the forum on ignore now because of it.
I have no desire to constantly argue when they can acknowledge we're as bad as we've ever been but don't want to change it.
It's absolutely at flat earth levels of absurdity.
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I’ve been saying it for weeks and weeks, but it still bears repeating.

It is demonstrative that even the Ange In crowd cannot make any affirmative arguments for him.

There are no positive arguments for Ange. There are only arguments against sacking him that have nothing to do with him, such as the idea that we’ve sacked too many managers, or that there’s no one better out there at this moment.

There are zero arguments in Angie’s favor on his strengths, on his accomplishments, on his results, on anything about him personally.

There are only arguments that our club has been managed so terribly in the recent past that we should settle for this.
 
FightingIllini said:
To be clear, I am very much an Ange supporter and I like and believe in his tactics and philosophy in a vacuum. I want this to work and still believe it can and should.

I just don't think "it asks too much of the players physically to fight on four fronts in England, which is a different ask of the human body than anywhere Ange has been previously" can be rejected out of hand as superstitious internet nonsense. There's evidence to take seriously there.

I believe in Ange and want to stick it out with him. But if compelling evidence exists that it just can't work, you just have to move on.

It's all pointless on some level because of the Daniel Levy handbrake which will hamper us at every turn for as long as he owns the club, but you still want to maximize your opportunities to nick a bit of success where we can.
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Ok fair enough.

What are the differences between City and Ange ball being able to work in 4 competitions or resulting in mass injuries?
The same question for Klopps heavy metal football?

What are the adjustments Ange or the club needs to make?

Those are serious questions I don’t have the answers to
 
kcspurs said:
I’ve been saying it for weeks and weeks, but it still bears repeating.

It is demonstrative that even the Ange In crowd cannot make any affirmative arguments for him.

There are no positive arguments for Ange. There are only arguments against sacking him that have nothing to do with him, such as the idea that we’ve sacked too many managers, or that there’s no one better out there at this moment.

There are zero arguments in Angie’s favor on his strengths, on his accomplishments, on his results, on anything about him personally.

There are only arguments that our club has been managed so terribly in the recent past that we should settle for this.
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We should definitely fuck ourselves in our own arse and get ourselves relegated because we *may* have sacked some previous managers too soon.

The logic of these people.

Go Crazy Wtf GIF
 
Richard Arlison said:
Ok fair enough.

What are the differences between City and Ange ball being able to work in 4 competitions or resulting in mass injuries?
The same question for Klopps heavy metal football?

What are the adjustments Ange or the club needs to make?

Those are serious questions I don’t have the answers to
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Control and movement.

Pep ball is all about control suffocating the opposition. Also Pep doesn’t rely as much on pressing to create his high value chances. On top of that they have about £2billion worth of spending.
 
kcspurs said:
There are zero arguments in Angie’s favor on his strengths, on his accomplishments, on his results, on anything about him personally.
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I mean, Ange is accomplished elsewhere and is a better communicator and altogether more charming bloke than many of his predecessors. That doesn't make up for not winning, but it's hyperbole to just reject that those things exist.

But my belief in Angeball is pretty simple. I think teams habitually struggle with periods where they are not on the front foot in football matches, especially with the lead. It is really difficult to coach a team not to drift through games and lose the initiative, and that has been a perpetual problem at Spurs.

Under Ange we are always pressuring to score the next goal in all situations at all times, it's drilled so relentlessly into the players that they stay automatically on that setting. I do think that's fairly unique to him, even among other managers with an aggressive approach.

I think that's a good idea, it makes sense to me. And we have, at times, reaped rewards from it.

There are obvious downsides to this approach, and we've suffered from those as well. It may be that the negatives outweigh the positives over time, but I am inclined toward patience and support in giving this philosophy a go.
 
Why are people even arguing with Shadydan Shadydan and Richard Arlison Richard Arlison ??

They said before the Everton game that they both believe Ange should go if we don't pick up 6 points against Everton and Leicester ( Richard Arlison Richard Arlison even said we need to be winning both games comfortably as well).

Well we have since lost to Everton in a game we were 3-0 down at HT. They've made their position clear now so no point going back and forth.
 
kingdawson said:
Why are people even arguing with Shadydan Shadydan and Richard Arlison Richard Arlison ??

They said before the Everton game that they both believe Ange should go if we don't pick up 6 points against Everton and Leicester ( Richard Arlison Richard Arlison even said we need to be winning both games comfortably as well).

Well we have since lost to Everton in a game we were 3-0 down at HT. They've made their position clear now so no point going back and forth.
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I said it was do or die for Ange because I’d expect him to get sacked if we lost.

I’m still shocked he wasn’t.

But you can check the match thread when I was asked and I said I’m still Ange in until the bitter end. I still am.
 
Shadydan said:
This is the 15th time you've made that argument and it misses out a boat load of context because of an injury crisis, you know this.

Arguments need to be logical and nuanced, not twisted and biased.
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None of the context of an injury crisis justifies being 15th. I have already explained why this is, and only a fool would try and argue otherwise. Even reasonable, pro-Ange posters have recognised this.

There is no world in which the team we had out against Everton was bad enough to compete as terribly as we did in that game, with a scoreline that flattered us massively. Nor does anything justify the absolute embarrassment that was the 90 mins vs Tamworth, or the other bazillion crap results beforehand. Nor the woeful end to last season where we were losing every single game with zero injuries. Our start to THIS season with a fully fit squad wasn't good either !!!!

Other, reasonable posters like MemphisWill MemphisWill have explained this to you repeatedly (incl showing our PPG over the last year and a bloody half!) and you have ignored it because you are intent on defending this man right up until the very moment the board stick a knife in his chest.
 
kingdawson said:
Why are people even arguing with Shadydan Shadydan and Richard Arlison Richard Arlison ??

They said before the Everton game that they both believe Ange should go if we don't pick up 6 points against Everton and Leicester ( Richard Arlison Richard Arlison even said we need to be winning both games comfortably as well).

Well we have since lost to Everton in a game we were 3-0 down at HT. They've made their position clear now so no point going back and forth.
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🚨 Breaking: man changes mind.
 
Richard Arlison said:
I said it was do or die for Ange because I’d expect him to get sacked if we lost.

I’m still shocked he wasn’t.

But you can check the match thread when I was asked and I said I’m still Ange in until the bitter end. I still am.
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oh wow this is quite incredible. My question to you at the time was if you thought he should go if we don't beat Everton and Leicester not "do you expect him to be sacked"?? now you're saying that's what you actually meant??

"Ange in until the bitter end" proves what I've been saying anyway. No fan should ever be "random manager in until the bitter end". It's a results business but you have literally just confirmed he can lose every single game and you would still want him here. Your intentions are not pure.
 
kingdawson said:
oh wow this is quite incredible. My question to you at the time was if you thought he should go if we don't beat Everton and Leicester not "do you expect him to be sacked"?? now you're saying that's what you actually meant??

"Ange in until the bitter end" proves what I've been saying anyway. No fan should ever be "random manager in until the bitter end". It's a results business but you have literally just confirmed he can lose every single game and you would still want him here. You're intentions are not pure.
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Because its a cult to him!!! He's following a cult leader!

This is why the "Ange cultists" thing has been an accusation from the start. Its true and always has been. He was always going to have his collection of followers who would back him till the end because they are following a cult of personality, the same as the Mourinhoistas.

It is actually pointless arguing with them tbh, and a total waste of time. But hey ho.
 
Deuterz said:
None of the context of an injury crisis justifies being 15th. I have already explained why this is, and only a fool would try and argue otherwise. Even reasonable, pro-Ange posters have recognised this.

There is no world in which the team we had out against Everton was bad enough to compete as terribly as we did in that game, with a scoreline that flattered us massively. Nor does anything justify the absolute embarrassment that was the 90 mins vs Tamworth, or the other bazillion crap results beforehand. Nor the woeful end to last season where we were losing every single game with zero injuries. Our start to THIS season with a fully fit squad wasn't good either !!!!

Other, reasonable posters like MemphisWill MemphisWill have explained this to you repeatedly (incl showing our PPG over the last year and a bloody half!) and you have ignored it because you are intent on defending this man right up until the very moment the board stick a knife in his chest.
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If me and Deuterz Deuterz can agree on something, it's probably true.

:harrylol:
 
Shadydan said:
Brother, we are on the internet.
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right ok....and?

I don't get what your point is? you're saying because it's a football forum you can lie about opinion? you can troll?

This is a Tottenham Hotspur Forum where regardless of the various characters we all should have one hope which is for the club to be performing at the very best.

You and Richard Arlison Richard Arlison (who has now basically said he can lose every game and it still wouldn't change his mind) gave an opinion as to what Ange has to do to survive and you both clearly stated what you felt...he fails at the very first hurdle and you guys are on here again arguing to others about the same thing like you didn't make those comments and that result didn't happen.
 
kingdawson said:
right ok....and?

I don't get what your point is? you're saying because it's a football forum you can lie about opinion? you can troll?

This is a Tottenham Hotspur Forum where regardless of the various characters we all should have one hope which is for the club to be performing at the very best.

You and Richard Arlison Richard Arlison (who has now basically said he can lose every game and it still wouldn't change his mind) gave an opinion as to what Ange has to do to survive and you both clearly stated what you felt...he fails at the very first hurdle and you guys are on here again arguing to others about the same thing like you didn't make those comments and that result didn't happen.
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Why you tagging me again bro? I've been as clear as day about my thoughts in my reply to the last post you tagged me in.

We don't agree on Ange, this is a waste of time.
 
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