We don't spend on wages so we're not attracting quality.
And as for your last point, Levy is ultimately responsible. He's been at the helm a quarter of a century, he's running out of people to hide behind.
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And as for your last point, Levy is ultimately responsible. He's been at the helm a quarter of a century, he's running out of people to hide behind.
Exactly. Fish rots from the head. Buck stops at the top.
What’s the one constant in 25 years, the one thing that’s been there the entire time?
I also think there’s no insight by staff regarding players mental strength . To get to the level they are takes a lot of determination & ambition but many think “ I’ve made it “ & comfort sets in . Spurs seems a very comfortable place , you get the odd super driven player but they generally see the issues & move on , Modric , Bale & even Kane ( he was incredibly loyal to us though at his own careers detriment )
We’ve had plenty of talented players , Dele , Madders , Tanguy etc who see the clubs psyche & put their slippers on . This is because of the clubs attitude towards football from the top. Lack of ambition . We’ve got a new bunch of young driven talent in Bergvall & Grey who will either move on to a club who has true ambition or eventually settle in to the clubs mentality & we’ll witness a few more Dele’s. Personally, I think they are very driven & go elsewhere
That is why the club needs change at the top
42% does seem to be the outlier here. Certainly room to manoeuvre one would hope.
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And speak of the devil, out comes the annual proof.
42% wages/turnover ratio, the lowest among top clubs, as we have always been every year without fail under ENIC.
Saying that, the £100m difference between us and Liverpool & Woolwich is 10 players on £200k per week. Obviously just on salaries. It’s a fair whack of cash for us to make up, particularly without CL football.
Did also note that it’s our commercial activity that’s keeping us where we are. At least we are seeing some evidence of positive effect from our events, brand partnerships, etc. Just need to spend the money now….
Generational talents like those you have mentioned will always want to move on from us. The likes of Real, Barcelona and Bayern will be lights to a moth due to their history and power. It’d take us a couple of decades of being the top, or one of the top teams in Europe for us to enjoy a similar reputation.
I do think though that we tend to seem to collect players who are happy to get to the Spurs level and then relax. I’m not wholly convinced that’s a fault of the owners or Levy, maybe just because that’s the market we are operating in. What could Levy do to show ambition to the players? Provide them the very best facilities? A wonderful stadium to play in? Buy them for large transfer fees? He’s doing all that. Would they be more ambitious if he paid them more? I’d suggest the opposite. Should he make a speech at the start of each month? Again, I’d say that would have the opposite effect.
I’m asking honestly, as I’m never sure what the owners could do to show this ambition everyone says they are lacking. And I mean in practice, not just a vibe or attitude.
Alli had a painkiller addiction after getting injured that all but ruined his career
Can i ask the 15.8% of levy in voters to come forward and explain to the rest of us what you see in this guy?
If players see long term plans it gives them reason to want to stick around , we don’t show that , haven’t for years
It’s happened far too often for there not to be a connection . What levy could do is have a clear direction , to get serious staff in who back up the ideology. It’s not about paying them more but that helps it’s about clarity & a concrete mindset of what the goals are. Ambition is not just money , it’s diligence & getting the right people in who you can trust to reach targets , it also involves a degree of risk but risk that is inspiring & exciting . We seem to plod along , it’s all very stale
I think levy talking to anyone would have a negative affect , he’s hardly an inspirational character is he
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And speak of the devil, out comes the annual proof.
42% wages/turnover ratio, the lowest among top clubs, as we have always been every year without fail under ENIC.
I’m surprised. I actually thought it would be less. I wonder what bonus he’d have given himself if he’d got it under 40%. Not long to find out I guess, just have to wait a year!
it’s quite interesting that small clubs now like Brighton, Bournemouth, Brentford and dare I say it Forest (who are not small but have been weak for such a long time) can quickly move past us. Before it was Liverpool or Woolwich zipping past when they went from being shit to good, now it’s everyone’s granny.
And our medical staff didn’t monitor the situation ? It’s easy enough to check for opioids & then have the correct care needed to help
I’ll stick with my belief that the club from top to bottom is half atsed regarding football , it’s too comfortable due to that . The eye is literally off the ball , similar thing at united
Isn’t the stadium and training ground a long term plan? Investing in the very best facilities to get the very best from the players?If players see long term plans it gives them reason to want to stick around , we don’t show that , haven’t for years
It’s happened far too often for there not to be a connection . What levy could do is have a clear direction , to get serious staff in who back up the ideology. It’s not about paying them more but that helps it’s about clarity & a concrete mindset of what the goals are. Ambition is not just money , it’s diligence & getting the right people in who you can trust to reach targets , it also involves a degree of risk but risk that is inspiring & exciting . We seem to plod along , it’s all very stale
I think levy talking to anyone would have a negative affect , he’s hardly an inspirational character is he
In any missive that arrives (COYS Daniel) he talks about the wish to compete at the very top.
He’s hired Munn (no idea about his credibility or ability, but none of us do) and Lange (seems to have a decent reputation in the game). Hired a manager who seemed to offer us the winning and attractive football we wanted (obviously hasn’t worked). But Levy does seem to be trying to do things differently. And spending money doing them.
What I’d like to see is underperforming players getting shifted quicker. And replacements coming in faster. I’d suggest those alone would affect the mindset of the players more. Play to your very best, or you’re gone.
I’d also like to see us offer someone like McKenna or Potter (too late now), £5m a year salary to manage our u21/youth teams to ensure we have a pipeline of younger talent coming through to either hit the first team or sell for PSR profit.
That has nothing to do with him being 'too comfortable' - he got addicted to a very addictive substance after getting injured.
100%If players see long term plans it gives them reason to want to stick around , we don’t show that , haven’t for years
It’s happened far too often for there not to be a connection . What levy could do is have a clear direction , to get serious staff in who back up the ideology. It’s not about paying them more but that helps it’s about clarity & a concrete mindset of what the goals are. Ambition is not just money , it’s diligence & getting the right people in who you can trust to reach targets , it also involves a degree of risk but risk that is inspiring & exciting . We seem to plod along , it’s all very stale
I think levy talking to anyone would have a negative affect , he’s hardly an inspirational character is he
An example in NFL is Dan Campbell at the Detroit Lions. They were shit for a very long time. Campbell came in and quickly changed their whole attitude and ambition expectations. It can be done if everyone shares and drives that ambition.
Look at Forest a club in the mud now flying. Aggressive cultural change and investment could quickly fix us.
Levy and co aren't going anywhere anytime soon. The club is no longer just a football club, it's now an entertainment business with a football team in the background.
It's a cash cow. The wage bill is incredibly low compared to the income. With the extra circular events such as NFL, rugby, concerts, F1 go karting and whatever else they can convince to come then the shareholders will be in no rush to sell up, unless there's a stupidly large offer, we're talking 3-4b easy.
They'll add a couple of signings each summer to keep fans semi excited, and a few youngsters to look forward to, but they'll never fully commit. It's always been a 'well we're doing well as we are' attitude, they never have and never will capitalise on a strong point like Forest are, and Woolwich will be doing.
This is who the club is now, we can protest all we want but they're never big enough. The ones fan groups try to organise have only a few hundred fans turn up, not the thousands needed. Fans will still turn up to the stadium, wearing replica shirts just bought in the club shop.. Even if fans decide not to go, tourists will lap those tickets up quickly and clap along regardless of the result, as long as they get to see Sonny or whoever they really support.
European places are no longer the be all for this ownership, just a place in the premier league, even though we'll be told by Ali Gold and others that due to non European competition we can't afford as much in the transfer windows.
It's similar to Mike Ashley at Newcastle now.. It'll only get worse.
It's a cash cow. The wage bill is incredibly low compared to the income. With the extra circular events such as NFL, rugby, concerts, F1 go karting and whatever else they can convince to come then the shareholders will be in no rush to sell up, unless there's a stupidly large offer, we're talking 3-4b easy.
They'll add a couple of signings each summer to keep fans semi excited, and a few youngsters to look forward to, but they'll never fully commit. It's always been a 'well we're doing well as we are' attitude, they never have and never will capitalise on a strong point like Forest are, and Woolwich will be doing.
This is who the club is now, we can protest all we want but they're never big enough. The ones fan groups try to organise have only a few hundred fans turn up, not the thousands needed. Fans will still turn up to the stadium, wearing replica shirts just bought in the club shop.. Even if fans decide not to go, tourists will lap those tickets up quickly and clap along regardless of the result, as long as they get to see Sonny or whoever they really support.
European places are no longer the be all for this ownership, just a place in the premier league, even though we'll be told by Ali Gold and others that due to non European competition we can't afford as much in the transfer windows.
It's similar to Mike Ashley at Newcastle now.. It'll only get worse.
They don't exist. This is a business and you get 18 months.
A few half hearted rounds of "All I care about" and that will be it
And ofcourse Ange will be serenaded with his anthem of a song , when we pull a couple of goals back from being 4 nil down
The new football money league is out. Spurs wages down to 42% of revenue.
So rather than allowing us to compete, we are actually less competitive in the new stadium.
So rather than allowing us to compete, we are actually less competitive in the new stadium.