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Management Ange Postecoglou

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If we lose to Brentford, which I think most all would agree is likely, it will be 1 point from 8 games.

Presumably, back in 2008, all of the Ange-inners were clamouring for Juande Ramos to be given more time? He had won us a cup after all, and was in the middle of a painful rebuild having had Keane and Berbatov sold from under him?

With the TW shut at the time too, clearly there was no way a new manager could come in and do better immediately.
 
Aphex said:
I think the only reason he's still here is because we are struggling to find a replacement, he doesn't want to give it to Mason again because the optics are just terrible.

Levy was hoping Ange would turn it around with Everton and Leicester, two easier games, and Ange has well and truly shat the bed.

Now what has become reality is Levy's worst nightmare. Keeping Ange has become practically untenable, but it's easier to give out PR bluff that they continue to back him and want to make a signing or two, rather than sack him because then it all comes to Levy.

With Ange in the post, there is a bit of a buffer which Levy can hide behind.

I refuse to believe they actually think Ange is the man to lead us to success. Impossible. They surely can't be that incompetent.

My main worry about Ange not being sacked, besides relegation, is that there is always a very small chance he manages a few wins, or does just enough to keep his job and we remain with this clown in charge for any longer. There is always a chance if he's not sacked, that Levy and the club do actually somehow think this fraud is the man to lead us to success. That scares me.

I can't believe they can watch us on the pitch and not have the realisation that Ange is useless. Just wtf are they even watching?

So out of all the myriad of reasons I want Ange sacked, I want the possibility that the club actually believes in him to be removed. We just have to get this clown out of the club.

We will get absolutely battered at Villa and Liverpool and Brentford. I guess those are now the games we are waiting for is actually mental. He should have gone months ago and it's just got worse and worse.

I actually cannot believe what we are watching happen to our club and Levy is doing fuck all about it. Sack the fucker now. It's simple to anyone with an idea of football that his tactics are pathetic and the cause of all these defeats.
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There's a post in the tactical thread, which explains the tactical issues we faced against Leicester; which was brilliant.
I completely agree with you. Ange is clueless and inept at his job.
 
The only reason ange is still here is because any manager the club have sounded out about bringing in are just not interested in taking over right now,and frankly I don’t blame them if it’s the case.
 
Kaz Hirai said:
actually just looking into it Ange has the highest net spend of any spurs coach relative to his time here, solanke and vdv as you mentioned. But also maddison, johnson, vicario and dragusin. Along with a bunch of expensive teens.

then remember that jose got alot of junk in his time, none of it expensive, gedson, vinicious, Rodon, Doherty, Bergwjin, Hojbjerg.
Conte a bunch of free transfers, lenglet, Fraiser, perisic, danjuma. Along with oppurtinistic buys in kulu, bentancur, bissouma. only really porro and richarlison did the club stretch out

Even poch had to make do and work miracles with alot of cheaper players until after the CL final .

I think Ange has been backed as well as any spurs manager if not better, which ultimately is is still poor because we leave every single manager short of options
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But you look at our salaries and we're on par with West Ham.

We pay fees but skimp on wages. We buy a fairly nice mid range petrol SUV, so it's nicer and shiner than a ford fiesta but then we fill the tank with diesel.

I think Ange should be doing much better with what he has but he's still limited in what he's been given.
 
Herclueless said:
If we lose to Brentford, which I think most all would agree is likely, it will be 1 point from 8 games.

Presumably, back in 2008, all of the Ange-inners were clamouring for Juande Ramos to be given more time? He had won us a cup after all, and was in the middle of a painful rebuild having had Keane and Berbatov sold from under him?

With the TW shut at the time too, clearly there was no way a new manager could come in and do better immediately.
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I’ll be amazed if we beat Brighton.
 
PatagoniaPhil said:
My main worry about Ange is how many of our players careers we will wreck.

We were in a good position this summer to push on for CL qualification with the right signings. Now I'm worried how may of our starting 11 are finished.
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Considering Micky and Romero were injury prone to begin with, Ange's negligence has possibly affected the level, in which they could play at in the future.
Worst manager we have ever had at Spurs, mainly due to his incompetence at the very principles of player management.
 
Herclueless said:
If we lose to Brentford, which I think most all would agree is likely, it will be 1 point from 8 games.

Presumably, back in 2008, all of the Ange-inners were clamouring for Juande Ramos to be given more time? He had won us a cup after all, and was in the middle of a painful rebuild having had Keane and Berbatov sold from under him?

With the TW shut at the time too, clearly there was no way a new manager could come in and do better immediately.
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I have no idea what I wanted to happen with Juande Ramos. Do you?
 
Os22 said:
I still think the best summing up of it all is that yesterday, Ruud Van Nistelrooy, a man who, let’s face it, is very much still an amateur manager gaining experience in that side of the game, actually told an interviewer BEFORE the game exactly what his tactics are.

He told Ange before players were on the pitch how he was going to beat him. I bet he couldn’t believe his luck when they got their goals in the first ten mins of the second half, he’d thought he’d have to wait till 70-80mins.

This follows, was it Declan Rice who in a post match interview said they weren’t bothered as they knew exactly how we were going to play, how to beat us and that if things didn’t go our way we wouldn’t stop doing the same things.

Other teams are literally telling our manager how they are going to beat him, and he doesn’t have anything about him to know how to stop it.

What on earth are we doing here.
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Even the moron Keown on TalkSPORT now is talking through how our tactics are terrible and his beliefs are flawed. He’s so biased against us normally but you can even hear the frustration in his voice about how bad we are set up.
 
Thought he did a good job last season under the circumstances, finishing 5th was a good season compared to this one... funny how things in football change.

Earnt the right to take us into this season and I did think we were unlucky in alot of the games near the start of the season, however recently it's got worse. Same problems, same easy goals being conceded every week.

That isn't a bad set of players, Porro for example isn't a bad player but the tactics are killing us now. Every single match Porro is getting caught up the pitch and teams are getting down his side.

It's kamikaze football which if it continues will get us relegated. Even when we get players back, you know full well there will be more injuries. You only have to look at Richy, back for half a game and he's already done his groin, he'll probs be out for 2 years now.

Simple way to look if we can't take a point off either Everton or Leicester, we are fucked. Looked how Moyes has made a dog shit Everton side win 2 games on the bounce.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
But you look at our salaries and we're on par with West Ham.

We pay fees but skimp on wages. We buy a fairly nice mid range petrol SUV, so it's nicer and shiner than a ford fiesta but then we fill the tank with diesel.

I think Ange should be doing much better with what he has but he's still limited in what he's been given.
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He cannot organise a team. I assume where ever he has been he has his Assistants do the majority of the lifting when it comes to coaching and we have given him Bert and Earnie to coach his player and talk about team shape.

Ange is just there to tell everyone a bed time story about his relationship with his father.
 
Bergvallclass said:
Considering Micky and Romero were injury prone to begin with, Ange's negligence has possibly affected the level, in which they could play at in the future.
Worst manager we have ever had at Spurs, mainly due to his incompetence at the very principles of player management.
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I posted a few pages back about injuries and injury reports coming out from Celtic during his time there…it’s all very predictable, the difference being you can get away with it in the SPL, although even Celtic were getting concerned
 
PatagoniaPhil said:
I would give Redknapp a go. Players just need an arm round em and a sensible formation.

Anything is better than what there is right now with Ange.
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...and to think people used to deride Harry as having no tactics and telling the players to "f*cking run around a bit."

Ange isnt anywhere near Harry's level - could you ever see him taking this team to the San Siro (or similar) and getting a 1-0 away win in a champions league game like Redknapp did?

One thing that Redknapp did well when he took over from the mess Ramos made was to get back to basics - simple system, put players in their right positions and identify the gaps for improvement (e.g. bringing in Palacios as a DM).

Angeball is pure chaos - I've never seen a team so wide open at this level of football and dont get me started on the bizarre selection of players in certain positions and the ridiculous lack of game management.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
But you look at our salaries and we're on par with West Ham.

We pay fees but skimp on wages. We buy a fairly nice mid range petrol SUV, so it's nicer and shiner than a ford fiesta but then we fill the tank with diesel.

I think Ange should be doing much better with what he has but he's still limited in what he's been given.
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nothing new or unique to Ange, we always underpay when it comes to wages. every manager is frustrated with getting a lesser player because we wont pay up
 
enfield1985 said:
He cannot organise a team. I assume where ever he has been he has his Assistants do the majority of the lifting when it comes to coaching and we have given him Bert and Earnie to coach his player and talk about team shape.

Ange is just there to tell everyone a bed time story about his relationship with his father.
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I don't disagree with any of that. I just don't agree he's been backed to a serious degree.

He's been backed for a midtable finish, and yes he's underperforming on that metric. But he's not been backed to challenge for anything. And neither was Conte, Nuno or Jose.
 
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