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Roberto Soldado

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sammyspurs said:
Just before Christmas, the vast majority were backing AVB's approach towards Lamela, and using it as a benchmark to show how sensitive and clever AVB's (wait for it) Man Management skills were....

He needed to adapt! Learn the lingo! New country! New league! He's young!

Now Sherwood is "wasting a 27M pound world talent".......by giving him time
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Think that this is a really good point.

There is clearly a lot going against Sherwood - his general lack of personal skills, the way he got the job, his well-publicised Woolwich connection...

But more than that, I think he feels that there is an anti-English sentiment within the supporters. For myself, it isn't that he's from Borehamwood - it's that there are reports that he seeks to downplay his intelligence - football or otherwise. He's making himself into Redknapp Mk II - very obviously - to get the fans who were anti AVB back with him.

I think he would do well to look at where that got HR in the end, but also seek to not alienate players he may need in the next 5 months.
 
Mad Yid said:
yeah really it would work a treat imho both very intelligent players with great passing ability and vision

are some idiots really labeling Soldado a lazy player?
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No. I like Soldado. I haven't uttered a (serious) word against Soldado. Hell, I even refuse to sell Soldado in my Fifa career mode. I would appreciate it if you would refrain from further putting words into my mouth.

fact is, Soldado isn't in form, nor, as has been evident this entire season, is he particularly suited to hold up play in the premier league. Berbatov is, as we can all agree on, lazy. You expect him to be willing to compensate for Soldado's lack of physicality for 90 minutes?

No. He would not, he will not. Therefore, our strike partnership should be, until his form or attitude dips, Adebayor + (insert second striker here). You even admitted Berba and Soldado are very similar players in terms of vision and movement... why then would you choose a partnership that consisted of two players who played the same role? Doesn't seem too logical to me.

I guess thinking that, you know, playing our in-form striker is logical makes me an idiot though. My apologies.


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It seems like a number of people consider Soldado to be a bust at this stage. I think he still can contribute a great deal but he hasn't had a great showing thus far. I was struck by how little protection the ref gave him in particular on Saturday; at one stage, McShane had him in a half nelson only for the ref to deem that was a fair way of getting the ball.

I think he'll have to start performing come what may by early next season or he'll be shipped out.
 
If Chelsea fans had been as harsh as we are with Drogba in his first year, they'd never have had one of the Prem's all-time best strikers. I have my doubts about Bob. but I also watched him a lot in Spain and when he's in form he is one of the best first touch strikers and poachers around. So much so, he had started a few games for Spain, no mean feat.

I don't want him sold in the Summer, I'm willing to give him a full 2 seasons to judge, if then he's still bad, then he's simply not a Prem striker.

I still have faith he'll become a good striker with us, who can achieve 20+ goals a year. Also, as bad as he seems to have been, the guy has still scored 10 in 24 in all comps, whether it's against Europa quality or not, he knows where the goal is.

Give him time. I know patience is not a virtue normally used by us Spurs fans but just have some with him and Lamela. I am not willing to abandon and write off 50mil worth of players because of a bad 6 months. Kyle Walker had a bad season last year, look at him now. Bad periods happen. Faith.

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Gothamizm said:
It seems like a number of people consider Soldado to be a bust at this stage.
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Thankfully Timmy doesn't

Tottenham boss Tim Sherwood backs Roberto Soldado to find his goal touch
Last Updated: 02/02/14 2:53pm

Tottenham manager Tim Sherwood has backed Roberto Soldado to rediscover his goalscoring touch and confirmed he had no intention of buying a new striker during the transfer window.

Spurs paid £26m to Valencia for Soldado in the summer and he arrived in England as one of La Liga's most fearsome centre-forwards.

His goal return of 10 in 24 appearances for the north London club is a good one but just half of those goals have come in the Premier League and four of them have been penalties.

And, despite Soldado failing to score in the 1-1 draw at Hull City on Saturday, Sherwood has no plans to make any extra additions to his forward line.

"We're all right for strikers here. If we added more players to what we've got it would be impossible to train, too manic," said Sherwood.

"It's just a matter of time before Robbie hits the target again, starts scoring and gets on a run.

"He's a good trainer and he's just got to stick at it. We've all been professional footballers, so we know what it's like.

"What are you going to do? You have to keep training hard, working hard at it and it'll turn around because it always does.

"I'm sure it's not the first barren spell he's had.

"He was all right (against Hull). His hold-up play was good, he had a few volleys - sometimes they go in, sometimes they don't.

"I'm not putting pressure on him and he's not putting pressure on himself."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/...-backs-roberto-soldado-to-find-his-goal-touch
 
Chelmsford Spurs said:
I feel he just needs to have that one game where a little luck falls on his side, bags himself a goal or two and i reckon we could see a confident bob! You dont become a bad player overnight (few months)
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To me, that's more dangerous. I went absolutely mental when he got his second at Villa, screaming with joy because I felt the doubt people had was unjust. I thought the floodgates would poem then. A few months later...

Not saying he won't get there, just let's see what happens between now send summer and attach as little expectation as possible.
 
Gothamizm said:
Think that this is a really good point.

There is clearly a lot going against Sherwood - his general lack of personal skills, the way he got the job, his well-publicised Woolwich connection...

But more than that, I think he feels that there is an anti-English sentiment within the supporters. For myself, it isn't that he's from Borehamwood - it's that there are reports that he seeks to downplay his intelligence - football or otherwise. He's making himself into Redknapp Mk II - very obviously - to get the fans who were anti AVB back with him.

I think he would do well to look at where that got HR in the end, but also seek to not alienate players he may need in the next 5 months.
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Jesus - is he from BOREHAMWOOD?
TS OUT!

seriously, why would anyone publicly try to make themselves look dumb? People spend their whole life trying not to look a tit or make a fool of themselves, and now his detractors are now trying to say that he does it deliberately.
What next? His choice of cutlery is deliberately mishandled, he deliberately fastens the bottom button of his waistcoat?
 
Mick Cooper said:
Jesus - is he from BOREHAMWOOD?
TS OUT!

seriously, why would anyone publicly try to make themselves look dumb? People spend their whole life trying not to look a tit or make a fool of themselves, and now his detractors are now trying to say that he does it deliberately.
What next? His choice of cutlery is deliberately mishandled, he deliberately fastens the bottom button of his waistcoat?
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Not being deliberately obtuse but English football is caught between two stools - effectively you have Mourinho/Wenger vs Fergie. The general public perception is that you have intellectual foreign managers who busy themselves with tactics and you have domestic managers who are more about man management and motivation. I'm over simplifying here but TS is emulating Redknapp in numerous ways and probably is a derivation of him; sloppy displays until half time (whereupon changes would be made and we'd perform much better), Land Rover interviews, the lack of tactical discussion with players...

I think Sherwood is playing the good ol' boy character to contrast himself with AVB. He's entitled to do that and I can see that it may well get the media onside; make yourself the new media darling by being as opposed to the man they hated and Sherwood may well have a longer reign at Spurs than many of us suppose he will.

I should say I don't really hold it against him; if anything it's a smart move. But it does cut both ways and I suspect that, regardless of where we finish, he won't manage a club of similar standing at least in the next decade IN PART because of this dumbing down.
 
Mick Cooper said:
Jesus - is he from BOREHAMWOOD?
TS OUT!

seriously, why would anyone publicly try to make themselves look dumb? People spend their whole life trying not to look a tit or make a fool of themselves, and now his detractors are now trying to say that he does it deliberately.
What next? His choice of cutlery is deliberately mishandled, he deliberately fastens the bottom button of his waistcoat?
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David Cameron does a good job of it!
 
Gothamizm said:
Not being deliberately obtuse but English football is caught between two stools - effectively you have Mourinho/Wenger vs Fergie. The general public perception is that you have intellectual foreign managers who busy themselves with tactics and you have domestic managers who are more about man management and motivation. I'm over simplifying here but TS is emulating Redknapp in numerous ways and probably is a derivation of him; sloppy displays until half time (whereupon changes would be made and we'd perform much better), Land Rover interviews, the lack of tactical discussion with players...

I think Sherwood is playing the good ol' boy character to contrast himself with AVB. He's entitled to do that and I can see that it may well get the media onside; make yourself the new media darling by being as opposed to the man they hated and Sherwood may well have a longer reign at Spurs than many of us suppose he will.

I should say I don't really hold it against him; if anything it's a smart move. But it does cut both ways and I suspect that, regardless of where we finish, he won't manage a club of similar standing at least in the next decade IN PART because of this dumbing down.
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but all of this is pure supposition, based on people preconceived notions and antipathy towards Redknapp, now writ large on Sherwoods tombstone.
Why you would imagine that the sloppy displays til halftime would be a tactic is beyond me, let alone assuming that because you have seen a photo of him looking out of his car window that he would be copying Harry.
Redknapp always made himself available for a quote, we know that - he liked to keep the press on board, if Sherwood chooses the same route, why would that be a surprise. Foreign managers are more likely to avoid that as they realise that any statement will be analysed for nuance or deliberately misconstrued out of malice, so they will avoid the exit (from training ground) interviews.
Too much second guessing going on here, leave the guy to do his job and judge him by the results.
 
sammyspurs said:
Laughable aint it...

Just before Christmas, the vast majority were backing AVB's approach towards Lamela, and using it as a benchmark to show how sensitive and clever AVB's (wait for it) Man Management skills were....

He needed to adapt! Learn the lingo! New country! New league! He's young!

Now Sherwood is "wasting a 27M pound world talent".......by giving him time
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6 weeks ago give or take a day or two the catchphrases were" time to gell" "wait till we click" "United stuck with fergie" now those same people who used said phrases are slaying Tim.
SchmoodSpur said:
If Chelsea fans had been as harsh as we are with Drogba in his first year, they'd never have had one of the Prem's all-time best strikers. I have my doubts about Bob. but I also watched him a lot in Spain and when he's in form he is one of the best first touch strikers and poachers around. So much so, he had started a few games for Spain, no mean feat.

I don't want him sold in the Summer, I'm willing to give him a full 2 seasons to judge, if then he's still bad, then he's simply not a Prem striker.

I still have faith he'll become a good striker with us, who can achieve 20+ goals a year. Also, as bad as he seems to have been, the guy has still scored 10 in 24 in all comps, whether it's against Europa quality or not, he knows where the goal is.

Give him time. I know patience is not a virtue normally used by us Spurs fans but just have some with him and Lamela. I am not willing to abandon and write off 50mil worth of players because of a bad 6 months. Kyle Walker had a bad season last year, look at him now. Bad periods happen. Faith.

:soldadolol:
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What if they'd have been as harsh with Torres?
 
PhilWalker8 said:
This could all go a bit Sergei...
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Called it in July.
 
SchmoodSpur said:
If Chelsea fans had been as harsh as we are with Drogba in his first year, they'd never have had one of the Prem's all-time best strikers. I have my doubts about Bob. but I also watched him a lot in Spain and when he's in form he is one of the best first touch strikers and poachers around. So much so, he had started a few games for Spain, no mean feat.

I don't want him sold in the Summer, I'm willing to give him a full 2 seasons to judge, if then he's still bad, then he's simply not a Prem striker.

I still have faith he'll become a good striker with us, who can achieve 20+ goals a year. Also, as bad as he seems to have been, the guy has still scored 10 in 24 in all comps, whether it's against Europa quality or not, he knows where the goal is.

Give him time. I know patience is not a virtue normally used by us Spurs fans but just have some with him and Lamela. I am not willing to abandon and write off 50mil worth of players because of a bad 6 months. Kyle Walker had a bad season last year, look at him now. Bad periods happen. Faith.

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Thank fuck, some sense spoken!
 
Slodado is class! Sure he is not producing the goals we all expected yet! But all top strikers have a great self-belief and are able to cope with baron spells! The key to Bobby's return to form is,us!!

COYS!!
 
Shnadsy said:
Thank fuck, some sense spoken!
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I too completely agree, but to play devil's advocate ... bringing up Drogba as an example isn't quite viable.
Drogba signed for Chelski when he was about 26 yrs old. That's a great signing age, which easily allows time for patience.

In our case, Soldado is 28, and two years can make a big difference.
While I personally believe that Soldado type of strikers are very capable to adequately perform well into their 30's, I believe the reason why many Spurs fans are getting frustrated correlates with the fact we bought him for high price at his particular age ... combined with the fact that he's not quite clicking, yet.

Regardless, I think Soldado should and will be given time here.
 
no one wants to see soldado triumph more than me, but he just isnt doing it. hes started and played almost every game and its not like there are no chances falling his way, there are and he keeps missing them time after time. and the more time goes on the more i think he will be back in la liga come what may
 
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